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CVR escribió:Dos noticias algo que me han llamado la atención,son contradictorias o nos muestran a la nueva realidad de la guerra ??
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017 ... tification
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017 ... rm+Blog%29
Por un lado se habla de la necesidad de sustituir a la tradicional ametralladora ligera, base de fuego del pelotón, para aligerar el peso de que llevan los infantes ya que éstas son macro-consumidoras de munición, y por otro de dotar de pistolas a los jefes de los equipos de fuego/fire-teams, o sea que uno de cada cuatro llevarán cerca de un kilo extra. Quizás simplemente evidencian los requerimientos de los nuevos conflictos asimétricos, de la nueva guerra insurgente, donde predominan las emboscadas, el combate urbano con largos intercambios de fuego, ... frente al vejo enfrentamiento en campo abierto.
rom: gatnerd 14:34
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Seems like the Marine's are doubling down on the 416:
http://soldiersystems.net/2017/12/26/us ... man-rifle/
While this validates the 416's overall high quality as a rifle, it further undermines the whole premise of the 416 being chosen because it's a viable Automatic Rifle, and lends more credence to the IAR concept being a smokescreen for the acquisition of new rifles for the Marines.
Current evidence to support the M27 being a viable Automatic Rifle:
-The Marine's adopted it
-It has a bipod and heavy barrel
Current evidence that the M27 is not an Automatic Rifle, but rather a beach head for the acquisition of new Assault Rifles:
-Marine's current M16A4's and M4's are outdated, worn down, and need modernization (not even updated to the already dated m4a1 standard)
-M27 = off the shelf 416 16" barrel with no modifications to improve fully automatic fire
-No other country or unit that uses the 416 consider it to be an Automatic Rifle
-Issued with 30rd magazines despite availability of reliable 40rd and 60rd magazines
-Standard loadout for the "Automatic Rifleman" is just 330rds, only 120 more then a regular semi auto rifleman
-"Automatic Rifleman" are sent to DMR classes
-Marine's own video shows a) poor full auto accuracy with the M27 at 80m b) encourages the IAR gunner to use "aggressive semi auto" aka how a regular Assault Rifle is used
-Marine's "Uber Squad" testing to show the viability of pure fleeting the 416 for all members of the squad
-Marine's adoption of 416 as separate DMR (M38), expanding the issue of 416's to more then the Automatic Rifleman
-Marines solicitation for 50,814 more "M27's" aka HK 416's in August
I must question your conclusion. First, some of the actions cited above can be explained as having been done for reasons other than a "beachhead."
Second, the original testing done back at the turn of the century was clearly aimed at getting a replacement for the M249 in the automatic rifle role.
Third, I don't recall any expressions of dissatisfaction with the M16A4 rifle during that time period, when the clamor for an automatic rifle had begun.
Fourth, the M4 carbine was designated to be the standard individual weapon for infantrymen several years after the M27 was adopted to be the IAR.
The move toward "pure fleeting" with HK416 variants is building on presence of the M27 in the inventory, but IMO that is opportunistic, not planned.
B&T have announced that their Universal Service Weapon pistol carbine has been used during the Dutch Korps Mariniers (Royal Dutch Marines) annual shooting competition with friendly NATO forces.
Held in December at the Dutch Navy’s base in Den Helder, in the north of the Netherlands, the competition saw 24 teams from 19 nations compete. The course of fire traditionally includes pistol and service rifle stages but this year the Korps Mariniers added an extra surprise stage using a weapon unfamiliar to all competing – the B&T USW.
The USW is a 9x19mm semi-automatic pistol with a folding stock intended to be a compact side arm, fitted with an Aimpoint Nano, capable of more accurate fire for law enforcement and security personnel. TFB covered it in more detail, back in 2016, here.
The course of fire was carried out on a 25m range with targets downsized to simulate 50m and B&T claim that "all participants scored better hits with the USW than with their issued service pistol."
Here’s B&T’s press release on the competition:
Every year, the Dutch Korps Mariniers, the Royal Dutch Marines invites friendly and NATO forces for a shooting competition in Den Helder. In 2017 it was in December with a total of 24 teams, coming from 19 nations. The competition is designed that each team shoots a pistol and assault rifle course. This year there was an aditional surprise stage, that has to be shot with an unfamiliar weapon, a gun that is not issued with any of the participating forces. This year the organizers chose the B&T USW.
Each participant had to shoot a course of fire with the USW while the clock was ticking. To make it more challenging, downsized targets were used to simulate an enemy at 50m on the 25m range.
This would normally be a tough challenge on first sight, but then again, due to the features of the USW, it became a rather easy task. It was to the almost 100 participants a nice surprise that there were excellent results. This showed on the good scores and happy faces afterwards. Due to the integrated folding stock and the Aimpoint Nano red dot sight first round hits at the 50m targets came easy, even for shooters unfamiliar with the USW.
All participants scored better hits with the USW than with their issued service pistol.
Sadly, B&T don’t let us know who won the friendly competition.
Source:
Surprise Competition With the USW at the Dutch Marines, B&T, 08/01/18, Retrieved from: www.bt-ag.ch/site/eng/news
Por cierto, la CZ-75 fue uno de los cúlmenes de la excelencia en pistolas del siglo XX antes de la era del polímero
The U.S. Marine Corps Is Getting a New Rifle
por Matthew Moss vía War is Boring
The U.S. Marine Corps has picked the Heckler & Koch M27 as its new infantry rifle. Commandant of the Marine Corps Gen. Robert Neller confirmed the selection in an interview with Military.com.
The new rifle is part of a wider overhaul of the Marines’ infantry gear. Jarheads are also getting new communications equipment, body armor, suppressors and night-vision optics.
The Corps began running unit-level trials with the M27 in late 2016. In February 2017, the branch released a Request for Information asking various manufacturers about their capacity to produce 11,000 M27s. In August 2017 the Corps announced its interest in buying more than 50,000 of the new weapons from Heckler & Koch as part of a sole-source deal.
A few Marines received M27s starting in 2011. The weapon has already seen action in Afghanistan.
While Neller admitted that the 17-inch M27 might not be ideal for mortar crews or Javelin missile operators, it could be issued to engineers and fire-support teams as well as to Marine infantry.
It’s unclear how fast the Corps will field the M27 or what the total cost might be. “Wait and see,” Neller said. “It’s not that much [money].”
“I could kit out every grunt in the Marine Corps with the coolest shit head-to-toe for $100 million,” Neller said. “And I intend to do that.”
The 5.56-millimeter M27 is based on Heckler & Koch’s HK416. It’s piston-driven and sports a free-floating barrel. Marines reportedly like the M27 for its reliability and accuracy. A marksman’s variant called the M38 boasts a Leupold TS-30A2 Mark 4 MR/T variable-power scope in place of the Marines’ standard ACOG sights.
An M27 reportedly costs around $3,000. “The price for that rifle is comparable to what we paid for the M4s the riflemen currently have,” Chief Warrant Officer 5 Christian P. Wade, 2nd Marine Division Gunner, told Military.com.
Los que tenemos una edad recordamos cuando (a fines de los 70 o primeros 80) había 3 pistolas 'modernas', la primera fue la S&W 59 (que tenía fama de poco fiable), de 1971 y luego la Beretta 92 (original) y la CZ 75, aparecidas ya mediada la década. De las tres la CZ era generalmente la mejor valorada y de hecho era la preferida en los EE.UU. pese a venir de un país 'comunista' (cosa entonces sorprendente), y también es de la que más clones han surgido. La adopción de la Beretta por las fuerzas armadas de los EE.UU. le dio un gran empuje, pero antes la CZ reinaba.
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