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Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Mar Mar 12, 2019 1:02 am
por Orel
Desde India nos dicen que la razón por la cual mandaron antiguos Mig-21 a frenar el ataque paquistaní en lugar de cazas más capaces como el Su-30, fue la falta de refugios reforzados en las bases cercanas a la frontera con Paquistán. Debido a eso, los Sujoi están desplegados bastante lejos de la frontera.
http://alert5.com/2019/03/11/lack-of-ha ... 21s-first/

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Lun Mar 18, 2019 12:16 am
por poliorcetes
India, Pakistan threatened to unleash missiles at each other: sources
Sanjeev Miglani, Drazen Jorgic

NEW DELHI/ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - The sparring between India and Pakistan last month threatened to spiral out of control and only interventions by U.S. officials, including National Security Advisor John Bolton, headed off a bigger conflict, five sources familiar with the events said.

FILE PHOTO: An Indian police officer fires a tear gas shell towards demonstrators, during a protest against the recent killings in Kashmir, in Srinagar May 8, 2018. REUTERS/Danish Ismail/File Photo
At one stage, India threatened to fire at least six missiles at Pakistan, and Islamabad said it would respond with its own missile strikes “three times over”, according to Western diplomats and government sources in New Delhi, Islamabad and Washington.

The way in which tensions suddenly worsened and threatened to trigger a war between the nuclear-armed nations shows how the Kashmir region, which both claim and is at the core of their enmity, remains one of the world’s most dangerous flashpoints.

The exchanges did not get beyond threats, and there was no suggestion that the missiles involved were anything more than conventional weapons, but they created consternation in official circles in Washington, Beijing and London.

Reuters has pieced together the events that led to the most serious military crisis in South Asia since 2008, as well as the concerted diplomatic efforts to get both sides to back down.

The simmering dispute erupted into conflict late last month when Indian and Pakistani warplanes engaged in a dogfight over Kashmir on Feb 27, a day after a raid by Indian jet fighters on what it said was a militant camp in Pakistan. Islamabad denied any militant camp exists in the area and said the Indian bombs exploded on an empty hillside.

In their first such clash since the last war between the two nations in 1971, Pakistan downed an Indian plane and captured its pilot after he ejected in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir.

Hours later, videos of the bloodied Indian pilot, handcuffed and blindfolded, appeared on social media, identifying himself to Pakistani interrogators, deepening anger in New Delhi.

With Prime Minister Narendra Modi facing a general election in April-May, the government was under pressure to respond.

That evening, Indian National Security Adviser Ajit Doval spoke over a secure line to the head of Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), Asim Munir, to tell him India was not going to back off its new campaign of “counter terrorism” even after the pilot’s capture, an Indian government source and a Western diplomat with knowledge of the conversations told Reuters in New Delhi.

Doval told Munir that India’s fight was with the militant groups that freely operated from Pakistani soil and it was prepared to escalate, said the government source.

A Pakistani government minister and a Western diplomat in Islamabad separately confirmed a specific Indian threat to use six missiles on targets inside Pakistan. They did not specify who delivered the threat or who received it, but the minister said Indian and Pakistani intelligence agencies “were communicating with each other during the fight, and even now they are communicating with each other”.

Pakistan said it would counter any Indian missile attacks with many more launches of its own, the minister told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

“We said if you will fire one missile, we will fire three. Whatever India will do, we will respond three times to that,” the Pakistani minister said.

Doval’s office did not respond to a request for comment. India was not aware of any missile threat issued to Pakistan, a government official said in reply to a Reuters request for comment.

Pakistan’s military declined to comment and Munir could not be reached for comment. Pakistan’s foreign ministry did not respond to a Reuters request for comment.


The crisis unfolded as U.S. President Donald Trump was trying to hammer out an agreement with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Hanoi over its nuclear program.

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U.S. security advisor Bolton was on the phone with Doval on the night of Feb 27 itself, and into the early hours of Feb 28, the second day of the Trump-Kim talks, in an attempt to defuse the situation, the Western diplomat in New Delhi and the Indian official said.

Later, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who was also in Hanoi, also called both sides to seek a way out of the crisis.

“Secretary Pompeo led diplomatic engagement directly, and that played an essential role in de-escalating the tensions between the two sides,” State Department deputy spokesperson Robert Palladino said in a briefing in Washington on March 5.

A State Department official declined comment when asked if they knew of the threats to use missiles.

Pompeo spoke to Doval, the Indian and Pakistani Foreign Ministers Sushma Swaraj and Shah Mahmood Qureshi, respectively, Palladino said.

U.S. Indo-Pacific Command Admiral Phil Davidson told reporters in Singapore last week that he had separately been in touch with the Indian navy chief, Sunil Lanba, throughout the crisis. There was no immediate response from Lanba’s office to a question on the nature of the conversations.

U.S. efforts were focused on securing the quick release of the Indian pilot by Pakistan and winning an assurance from India it would pull back from the threat to fire rockets, the Western diplomat in New Delhi and officials in Washington said.

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“We made a lot of effort to get the international community involved in encouraging the two sides to de-escalate the situation because we fully realized how dangerous it was,” said a senior Trump administration official.

The Pakistani minister said China and the United Arab Emirates also intervened. China’s foreign ministry did not respond to requests for comment. The government of the UAE said Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan held talks with both Modi and Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan.

India has not given details, but has said it was in touch with major powers during the conflict.

On the morning of Feb 28, Trump told reporters in Hanoi that he expected the crisis to end soon.

“They have been going at it and we have been involved in trying to have them stop. Hopefully that is going to be coming to an end.”

Later that afternoon, Khan announced in Pakistan’s parliament that the Indian pilot would be released, and he was sent back the next day.

“I know last night there was a threat there could a missile attack on Pakistan, which got defused,” Khan said. “I know, our army stood prepared for retaliation of that attack.”

The two countries have gone to war three times since both gained independence in 1947, the last time in 1971. The two armies are trading fire along the line of control that separates them in Kashmir, but the tensions appear contained for now.

Diplomatic experts said that the latest crisis underlined the chances of misread signals and unpredictability in the ties between the nuclear-armed rivals, and the huge dangers. It still was not clear whether India had targeted a militant camp in Pakistan and whether there were any casualties, they said.

“Indian and Pakistani leaders have long evinced confidence that they can understand each other’s deterrence signals and can de-escalate at will,” said Joshua White, a former White House official who is now at Johns Hopkins.

“The fact that some of the most basic facts, intentions and attempted strategic signals of this crisis are still shrouded in mystery ... should be a sobering reminder that neither country is in a position to easily control a crisis once it begins.”.

Additional reporting by Asif Shahzad in ISLAMABAD, Phil Stewart, Mark Hosenball, Jonathan Landay in WASHINGTON, Joe Brock in Singapore and William James in London; Editing by Martin Howell and Raju Gopalakrishnan

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indi ... SKCN1QY03T


Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Lun Mar 18, 2019 5:43 am
por Orel
Como veis y dije, ha sido un choque muy peligroso. Mucho más por ejemplo que la invasión rusa de Ucrania en 2014, que aunque muy grave raramente habría escalado. Y como nos dicen, en este caso indo-paquistaní si no ha escalado ha sido por presiones de Estados Unidos y China principalmente. No porque no quisiesen zurrarse entre los dos. También lo digo por lo del tema de conflicto convencional entre dos potencias nucleares, o incluso conflicto nuclear localizado.

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Lun Mar 18, 2019 5:00 pm
por poliorcetes
Es que es lo que no se quiere ver: las armas nucleares son genocidas por definición, sobre todo si sumamos los daños a medio plazo. No hay forma de emplearlas en zonas que no sean un puro desierto y que las bajas no se empiecen a sumar por muchos miles y enseguida millones

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Lun Mar 18, 2019 11:42 pm
por BOLAZOmedia
Solo queda sacar pasaje para Marte...
Miren como se reparte el pastel...

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Vie Mar 22, 2019 5:14 pm
por champi
Sobre los AMRAAM paquistaníes, según este artículo estaban capados para no utilizarse contra la India: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... n=ETTWMain
By Manu Pubby

NEW DELHI: The United States had assured India that Pakistan won’t use F16s and Amraams (advanced medium range air-to-air missiles) for offensive purposes as the US had an :arrow: effective end-user monitoring process and the systems could be made ineffective if they were misused.

The assurances were made in 2015 when then defence minister Manohar Parrikar strongly raised the issue of supply of Amraams and fighter jets to Pakistan with his US counterpart Ashton Carter, top government sources told ET.
Sources who were part of the discussions between Parrikar and Carter in 2015 said two specific issues were raised in discussions that took place in New Delhi and Washington. “One of the issues was that the Amraams have a long range and they cannot be used against terrorists but would be targeted at us,” a three-star rank officer who was part of the discussions told ET.

Carter responded to this by assuring that the missiles will not be used against India and the US has a mechanism to make them ineffective if they are used during war. :arrow:If they use it for an offensive purpose, they can interfere with the mechanism and make them ineffective,” the officer, who was involved in the talks, told ET.

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Vie Mar 22, 2019 8:54 pm
por Orel
Pues eso apoya a quienes defienden que cuanto más nuestro sea un sistema de armas, mejor. Y eso implica participar.

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Dom Mar 24, 2019 2:24 am
por BOLAZOmedia

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Vie Mar 29, 2019 8:44 am
por champi
Parece que el Mi-17 indio perdido en el conflicto con Paquistán pudo ser derribado por fuego amigo confundido con un UAV: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... s?from=mdr

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Vie Mar 29, 2019 10:43 am
por Orel
En todo caso, sabía que ese Mi-17 estaba implicado...

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Sab Abr 06, 2019 8:37 am
por champi
EEUU ha hecho el recuento de los F-16 paquistaníes y dice que están todos: https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/04/di ... t-says-no/

Por otra parte, los paquistaníes ponen esta foto, en la que se ven restos de R-73 y R-77, recogidos entre los que quedó del MiG-21 y alrededores: https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/stat ... 7210524672

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Dom Abr 07, 2019 10:19 am
por champi
Otra vuelta de tuerca. Ahora parece que los indios muestran las trazas de radar del A-50 donde se ven desaparecer F-16 paquistaníes: http://www.aereo.jor.br/2019/04/06/imag ... -do-radar/

Además de esa traza que desaparece, también las comunicaciones, que estaban siendo monitorizadas, se cortan abruptamente.

Avaliação de dados obtidos por OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) das aeronaves da IAF e da PAF em 27 de fevereiro de 2019.

Por cierto, desde la India dicen que EEUU se desentiende del supuesto conteo de los F-16 paquistaníes: https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... Ye62H.html

Y estas fotos las pongo como curiosidad: http://www.aereo.jor.br/2019/04/07/paqu ... -um-su-30/


Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Dom Abr 07, 2019 7:38 pm
por Milites
Japón tiene problemas. Los continuos scramble probocados por China y Rusia está acelerando el desgaste de los F15. Además, el sustituto no parece el idóneo para ello.

https://warontherocks.com/2019/04/japan ... 2-82914241

Japón se siente bajo una  intensa presión política estadounidense para negociar un acuerdo comercial bilateral que reduzca el déficit de bienes comerciables estadounidenses. La compra altamente visible de un gran número de aviones F-35 ayudará a reducir este déficit y  tal vez relaje la presión de los EE . UU .

La utilidad de la compra del F-35 para este propósito político se está maximizando al aceptar comprar aviones no ensamblados en los Estados Unidos y en Japón, y se incluye con una compra de nueve aviones E-2D de alerta temprana y control aerotransportados, que también se ensamblan en los Estados Unidos . Sin embargo, Japón está cayendo en una pequeña  quid pro quo . Parte de la financiación para la compra del F-35A / B 105 depende de que Estados Unidos ayude a Japón a  vender su viejo avión F-15J  a otras fuerzas aéreas, que se presume se encuentran en la región de Asia oriental.

También hay  algunos problemas operacionales . A diferencia del F-15, el F-35 fue diseñado para ser un avión de ataque. En consecuencia, la estructura de la aeronave del F-35 en la función de policía aérea carece de resistencia, tiene una capacidad de maniobra limitada para realizar tareas de identificación visual y es bastante costosa de operar a la velocidad a la que JASDF está volando actualmente en sus F-15J.

Además, volar el F-35 diariamente contra aviones chinos y rusos puede comprometer sus características técnicas. Inevitablemente, tanto China como Rusia recopilarán señales e inteligencia de firmas en cualquier F-35 interceptante.

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Dom Abr 07, 2019 10:43 pm
por yasiw
Hmmm... No creo que esto les coja de nuevas. No es ni planteable cambiar de estrategia y permitir que chinos -sobretodo- y rusos se crezcan.
Imagino que habrán ido contemplando distintas alternativas, una de ellas ya la menciona el artículo: F-35 desde pequeños aeródromos en las islas más fronterizas, y yo añado en los clase Izumo patrullando...

Otra alternativa que podría darse es replantear un nuevo convenio para seguir produciendo F-15J evolucionados de manera semejante a como se está planteando en USA, cosa que veo difícil porque imagino que las líneas de producción llevarán mucho tiempo cerradas.
Pero quizás comprar F-15 de última hornada a USA aprovechando la producción abierta pata Arabia Saudí, Qatar e Israel sería una opción más viable. Y de paso ayudaría a calmar al amigo Trump en sus ansias de sacarles los cuartos a los japos...

Enviado desde mi EML-L09 mediante Tapatalk

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Lun Abr 08, 2019 9:01 am
por Orel
Milites, es lógico: el JSF fue diseñado como caza polivalente enfocado a ataque, sucesor principalmente de F-16 y F-18, por tanto puede no ser idóneo para tareas de superioridad aérea, comparado con cazas que sí fueron diseñados para ella, y no fue pensado como sustituto del F-15. Y quede claro: habla de idoneidad, no dice que no sea bueno en esa tarea. Pero en superioridad cuentan también factores como prestaciones, agilidad y persistencia.