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Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Mié Feb 27, 2019 11:46 pm
por champi
Algo más sobre el comentado combate aéreo: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... epage=true
The Hindu Net Desk
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Three Pakistani fighter jets entered into Indian air space at 9:58 a.m. on Wednesday targeting key military installations in Rajouri and Nowshera in Jammu and Kashmir, as they sought to retaliate India's pre-dawn counter-terror strike a day earlier deep inside Pakistan, official sources said.

Though three Pakistani jets violated Indian air space, the package of the aircraft deployed by Pakistan Air Force for the operation was "significantly large" as it comprised a fleet of JF-17 and F-16 combat aircraft, the sources said.

Sources said the Pakistani jets targeted the Indian Army bases in Krishna Ghati and Nangi Tekri and an ammunition point in Narian. However, the bombs dropped by the Pakistani jets fell in uninhabited areas.

Minutes after Pakistani jets violated the Indian air space, the IAF's Combat Air Patrol (CAP), comprising MiG-21 and other jets engaged with the enemy aircraft, successfully thwarting their attempts to bomb a number of key military installations in Naushera and Rajouri, they said.

In the ensuing engagement, a MiG-21 Bison of the IAF shot down a Pakistani jet, firing an R-73 air-to-air missile before being hit. It was not clear whether the IAF jet was fired from a Pakistani jet or was brought down by a missile attack by ground-based air defence, the sources said.

They said the jet Pakistan lost was an F-16 aircraft. Pakistan has denied losing any jet.

India confirmed that an IAF pilot has been captured by Pakistan during the fierce engagement. The IAF sources identified him as Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman.

Sources said all Indian personnel, except one pilot, returned to their bases after the engagement ended at around 10:45 a.m.

The sources said that two parachutes were sighted — one was of the Indian pilot of the MIG-21 Bison and other was of the Pakistani pilot of the downed jet.
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Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Jue Feb 28, 2019 5:38 am
por Silver Surfer
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El término Línea de Control (LOC por sus siglas en inglés) se emplea para referirse a la frontera militar establecida entre la India y Pakistán en el territorio del antiguo estado principesco de Jammu y Cachemira. Esta frontera carece de reconocimiento internacional. Se conoció en un principio como «Línea de alto el fuego» y luego, tras el Acuerdo de Simla del 3 de julio de 1972, recibió el nombre de «Línea de Control».

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADnea_de_control

De acuerdo con Reuters, India está construyendo más de 14,000 refugios aptos para familias que viven a lo largo de su frontera con Pakistán en el estado de Jammu y Cachemira, con la esperanza de mantenerlos a salvo cerca de sus hogares en lugar de evacuarlos mientras los proyectiles de artillería caen. El pasado martes por la noche, Pakistán usó armas de alto calibre para atacarr de 12 a 15 objetivos a lo largo del lado indio de la frontera de facto conocida como la Línea de Control (LoC) que divide a la disputada región de Cachemira, dijo un portavoz de las fuerzas de defensa de la India. El ejército indio tomó represalias con su propio bombardeo de la parte pakistaní, dijo.

Hablando de refugios civiles y militares y llenando el nicho entre los RPG-7 y el misil antitanque chino HJ-8, ambos producidos localmente, en 2015 el Ejército de Pakistán compró lanza cohetes Alcotán-100 a la española Instalaza. Un pedido en total de 158 sistemas de control de fuego VOSEL (M2) y 1,413 cohetes Alcotán AT (M2) de 100 mm. Estos representan un buen compromiso entre la precisión, el poder destructivo y el costo de adquisición de un arma "destructora de búnkers" como los localizados a lo largo de la LOC. Previamente Pakistan ha utilizado TOW 2 y morteros de 120 mm para atacar las fortificaciones indias en la LOC.

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Jue Feb 28, 2019 9:49 am
por Orel
Entonces India confirma también que sí que le han capturado al piloto del caza.

Y "sospechosamente" en medio de estos ataques, un Mi-17 indio se ha estrellado en la región de Cachemira muriendo sus ocupantes:
https://www.janes.com/article/86897/iaf ... in-kashmir

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Jue Feb 28, 2019 1:15 pm
por Tercio norte
http://galaxiamilitar.es/por-que-la-fue ... -superior/

El mig-21 estaba haciendo CAP, e insisten en que derribaron un f16

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Jue Feb 28, 2019 2:39 pm
por Tercio norte
https://www.lavanguardia.com/internacio ... nsion.html
https://www.infobae.com/america/mundo/2 ... a-militar/

China poniendo las cosas en su sitio, parece que le ha dicho a su aliado que se deje de jugar que no es el momento.... y Pakistán entregara al piloto hindú como gesto de paz.

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Jue Feb 28, 2019 10:45 pm
por champi
Aparecen evidencias de la participación de los F-16 en el combate con MiG-21. Pero lo curioso es que se han presentado las imágenes de un AMRAAM que al parecer fue vendido a Taiwan:



https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fact-che ... an.604789/
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https://www.acq.osd.mil/dpap/cpic/cp/do ... 0Sales.pdf

Según la India, así fue el combate: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/24-paki ... rs-2000703


All India | Written by Vishnu Som

NEW DELHI: As India waited for the release of Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, who is in Pakistan's custody, exclusive details emerged on the unprecedented air combat operation along the Line of Control, where a package of 24 Pakistani aircraft were intercepted by eight IAF fighters, which included a MiG 21 Bison he was piloting.
The Wing Commander was in hot pursuit of a Pakistani F-16 jet, which he engaged with an R-73 air-to-air missile. The state-of-the-art Pakistani fighter, thought to be a two-seater variant of the jet, was shot down. Both pilots were seen parachuting down on the Pakistani side of the Line of Control.

NDTV has learnt that the Pakistani Air Force strike package included eight F-16s, four Mirage-3 aircraft, four Chinese made JF-17 "Thunder" fighter.

Other aircraft in the formation were escort fighters to protect the Pakistan strike formation from any IAF retaliation. The large Pakistani attack formation was detected at 9.45 am, when they came within 10 km of the Line of Control.

A small number of these fighters then proceeded to cross the Line of Control, when they were intercepted by eight IAF jets, which included four Sukhoi 30s, two upgraded Mirage 2000s and two MiG 21 Bisons.

The Air Force fighters gave chase to the Pakistani jets on their return leg after they had dropped a handful of laser-guided bombs that narrowly missed their military targets along the Line of Control.

Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman was in hot pursuit of a Pakistani F-16, which his radar had locked onto.

Despite being warned by other aircraft in the formation about the presence of Pakistani fighters, he pushed home his attack and fired an R-73 air-to-air missile.

At this stage of the air-to-air encounter, the pilot's wingman was also exposed and vulnerable.

Two missiles were fired by Pakistani F-16s. One of them, an AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) struck his aircraft, while another missed his wingman.

The Wing Commander was forced to eject and landed into the Pakistani side of Line of Control, where he was captured. Pakistan has announced that he will be released tomorrow.
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Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Vie Mar 01, 2019 9:25 am
por champi
Parece que el AMRAAM sí es paquistaní, pero de otro contrato anterior: http://archive.defense.gov/Contracts/Co ... actID=3384
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Raytheon Co., Tucson, Ariz., is being awarded a $269,646,834 firm-fixed-price contract modification. This action is exercising an option to purchase 500 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) Air Vehicles (AAVs) Air Intercept Missile (AIM) – 120C-5 missiles and rehost. This effort supports foreign military sales to :arrow: Pakistan 100%. At this time, total funds have been obligated. This work will be complete April 2011. Headquarters Medium Range Missile Systems Group, Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., is the contracting activity :arrow: (FA8675-05-C-0070/P00028).
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Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Vie Mar 01, 2019 9:44 am
por Orel
Ayer comentamos algo en el podcast pero preferimos esperar a que hubiese más información, como vemos que está surgiendo.

Pero lo curioso es que se han presentado las imágenes de un AMRAAM que al parecer fue vendido a Taiwan:

Taiwán refuta que fuese suyo el AMRAAM encontrado en India:
http://alert5.com/2019/03/01/taiwan-ref ... dia-story/

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Vie Mar 01, 2019 6:14 pm
por champi
Parece que Paquistán ha liberado al piloto indio: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47412884

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Dom Mar 03, 2019 2:03 pm
por poliorcetes
First Pakistan-India dog fight in nearly 50 years puts countries on brink of war
por Jason Dehart vía War is Boring

By David Pierson and Aoun Sahi
Los Angeles Times

Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan called for talks with India and warned of miscalculations that could lead to war in a national television address Wednesday, hours after his nation’s air force claimed to have shot down two Indian warplanes and captured a pilot.

The overture came amid two days of flaring tensions between the nuclear-armed nations that started Tuesday when the Indian air force made what was believed to be its first incursion over Pakistani territory in decades to bomb a militant training camp. India said the camp belonged to a terrorist group responsible for killing 40 Indian paramilitary troops in the disputed Kashmir region two weeks ago.

After promising to retaliate for the incursion, Pakistan said it downed two Indian military planes that crossed the so-called Line of Control, the de facto border in Kashmir, into Pakistani airspace Wednesday. One of the aircraft fell into Indian-controlled territory while the other crashed on the Pakistani side, where the pilot was captured. Purported video of the airman — bloodied, blindfolded and with his hands tied behind his back — has been shared online. Pakistan identified him as Wing Cmdr. Abhi Nandan.

“We waited and today we took action,” Khan said in a short address. “It was our plan to not cause any collateral damage and not to cause any casualties. We simply wanted to show our capability.”

India disputed Pakistan’s account of the confrontation. Indian Foreign Secretary Vijay Gokhale said Pakistan instigated the clash when its air force attacked Indian military installations. He said the strike was foiled and a Pakistani military plane was shot down over its own territory. Gokhale said India lost one warplane in the exchange and declared the pilot missing in action.

“Pakistan has claimed that he is in their custody,” Gokhale said in a news conference. “We are ascertaining the facts.”

In a separate account, prominent Indian defense analyst Ajai Shukla said in a tweet that two Indian air force jets were shot down by ground fire after they were lured toward the air defenses by Pakistani planes returning home from a bombing run.

India’s foreign ministry released a statement after Khan’s speech describing Pakistan’s attacks Wednesday as an “unprovoked act of aggression.” The ministry also objected to the way images of Nandan, the captured pilot, were being disseminated.

“India reserves the right to take firm and decisive action to protect its national security, sovereignty and territorial integrity against any act of aggression or cross-border terrorism,” the statement said.

The ministry made no mention of earlier remarks by Khan, who implored India to help deescalate the situation between the historical enemies.

“I ask India: With the weapons you have and the weapons we have, can we really afford a miscalculation?” he said.

“If this escalates,” he added, “it will no longer be in my control” or that of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Khan closed his speech by saying, “Let’s sit together and settle this with talks.”

Accepting the overture will be anything but easy for Modi, who is banking on support from Hindu nationalists in upcoming general elections this spring.

“The last thing the Indian government would want, just weeks before an election and so soon after an attack that killed more than 40 Indian security personnel, is to be perceived as going soft on Pakistan and caving in to a Pakistani request for de-escalation,” said Michael Kugelman, a South Asia expert with the Wilson Center.

But Jonah Blank, a senior political scientist at the Rand Corp., said Modi was far enough ahead in the polls to absorb any political blowback from accepting Pakistan’s olive branch.

“The Pakistani military needed a face-saving way out,” Blank said. “They could not simply do nothing. They managed to create a way out for themselves. They not only shot down an Indian (warplane), but they captured a pilot. And that will let them, if they choose, portray this as a victory.”

The airstrike Tuesday was seen as a move to answer growing calls in India to punish Pakistan for not doing enough to stop Jaish-e-Mohammed — the terrorist group responsible for the suicide attack on Indian security personnel Feb. 14 in Pulwama, a district in Kashmir.

Khan said in his speech that Pakistan had asked India for “actionable evidence” about the terrorist group and said it wasn’t in his country’s interest to harbor militants.

That contradicted what Gokhale said Tuesday about India repeatedly providing Pakistan with information about the location of Jaish-e-Mohammed’s camp, adding that Pakistani officials continued to deny its existence.

“The existence of such massive training facilities capable of training hundreds of jihadis could not have functioned without the knowledge of Pakistan authorities,” Gokhale said.


https://warisboring.com/first-pakistan- ... nk-of-war/

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Dom Mar 03, 2019 2:49 pm
por poliorcetes

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Lun Mar 04, 2019 5:20 pm
por Orel
Hablando de si participar en aviones de caza y similar, una de cuyas ventajas es que te hace más libre y autónomo en su uso:
EEUU va a investigar si Paquistán utilizó F-16 contra India. Y si lo hizo, ¿tomará represalias contra la operatividad de los mismos en la fuerza aérea paquistaní? Veremos:
http://alert5.com/2019/03/04/u-s-to-inv ... nst-india/

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Mié Mar 06, 2019 3:07 pm
por Orel
Calentito...

Pakistan navy releases video of what it says was an Indian submarine entering its waters. The Indian submarine was "pushed" out of Pakistan's waters, the navy says, but "was not targeted
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1103106852882018305

India's Su-30MKI Shot Down A Pakistani Drone Along the International Border in Rajasthan
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/indias- ... rajasthan/

Saludos

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Jue Mar 07, 2019 11:32 pm
por champi
En "India Today" hacen su particular resumen de la confrontación aérea: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/i ... 2019-03-07
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The developments of February 27 morning lasted 16 minutes, from the time the Pakistani jets took off to the time Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman was hit. India Today TV has accessed minute-by-minute details of the intense dogfight.

9:52 AM: Indian Air Force's Netra surveillance drone and the Northern Air Command detect 10 F-16s taking off three airbases in Pakistan. The F-16s fly in three separate formations. They merge into a single formation after entering Paksitan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).

9:54 AM: Indian Air Force swings into action. IAF's MiG 21 Bisons, Sukhoi Su-30MKIs and Mirage 2000s are scrambled to intercept the incoming Pakistani fighter jets.

9.58 AM: India sounds an alert and sends out a message to the Pakistani fighters asking them to go back.

9.59 AM: As per protocol, India sounds second alert and sends another message asking the Pakistani jets to go back.

10:00 AM: The Pakistan Air Force fighter jets enter Indian airspace.

10:01 AM: Indian Air Force jets respond with full force and engage the F-16s. The F-16s are also targetted by surface-to-air missiles (SAMs). The response forces nine PAF F-16s to return after intruding just a kilometre into Indian territory.

10:02 AM: One F-16 manages to enter deep inside Indian territory. The jet targets an oil depot and an ammunition point in a military zone and tries to attack an Indian Army brigade headquarters.

10:03 AM: One Indian Air Force Sukhoi Su-30 and one MiG-21 Bison engage this F-16 in a dogfight manoeuvre called "defensive split". The two Indian jets trap the Pakistani jet in between them -- the MiG 21 flies in front while the Su-30 chases the F-16 from behind, firing at it. The F-16 is forced to flee using a dog fight manoeuvre called "wingover".

10:04 AM: The Su-16 stops chasing the F-16 and hovers around the oil field in order to guard it. The MiG-21 Bison, being flown by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, gives the F-16 chase. The F-16 is flying out of territory and Wing Commander Abhinandan 'locks' F-16 with an R-73 air-to-air missile.

10:08 AM: Wing Commander Abhinandan fires his R73 missile and successfully hits the F-16, bringing it down. Abhinandan performs a dangerous manoeuvre called "high-g barrel roll". He is in the range of Pakistani surface to air artillery and surface to air missiles (SAM). Either a SAM or air artillery hits the MiG-21. Abhinandan ejects.


Otro punto de vista: https://www.livefistdefence.com/2019/03 ... -shot.html
Shiv AroorMar 07 2019
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Livefist has had a chance to review select debrief data and speak with IAF officers familiar with the unprecedented aerial face-off on the morning of February 27.

On the morning of February 27 — a day after Indian air strikes in Balakot, Pakistan — the Indian Air Force had two standing combat air patrols in the Jammu & Kashmir area — a pair of upgraded Mirage 2000s and two Su-30 MKIs, along with a Netra airborne early warning and control jet and a Phalcon AWACS keeping watch. The initial ‘pick-up’ of the approaching Pakistan Air Force fighter package was by ground radars. The inbound force was a large one, comprising at least 24 PAF jets in separate loose formations. Among the jets were at least three Dassault Mirage III aircraft armed with strike weapons. When the formation crossed from Pakistan in airspace over PoK, the Indian Air Force scrambled six MiG-21 Bison interceptors — three from Srinagar and three from Avantipora.

The Pakistani jets were inbound from a west-south westerly direction. A very loose mixed formation of Mirage IIIs deployed H-4 stand-off precision guided glide bombs with penetrator warheads at Indian military installations in the Rajouri sector with some of them hitting military land, but not causing any damage to structures or establishment buildings. Livefist has had a chance to review photographs of the weapon remnants recovered on the Indian side, including the starboard fin section of an H-4 bomb bearing the serial number ‘P695’. The photographs, apparently refuting Pakistani claims that their strikes were deliberately mis-aimed only to send India a counter-message after the Balakot strikes, are part of an Indian Air Force dossier of the day’s proceedings that will be submitted to the government this week. The IAF’s official conclusion in this dossier is that the H-4 bombs were deployed specifically to cause damage.

As the stand-off strikes took place, an air-to-air battle commenced with the two Indian Su-30s reporting (in their debrief) repeated radar locks from what they say were Pakistani F-16s beyond visual range, and manoeuvering in the air to turn ‘cold’ on the weapon locks. IAF sources indicated to Livefist that the said F-16s were looking specifically to shoot down a Su-30 — something that would have been a major loss for the IAF. The Su-30s (and later, three of the MiG-21s) are said to have flown patterns to remain ‘kinematically safe’ against the repeated AMRAAM locks even as the distance between the Indian and Pakistani jets loosely closed over the Line of Control. The hot-cold radar lock sequence continued for several minutes, with the said PAF F-16s repeatedly attempting to sustain locks on the Su-30 MKIs long enough for meaningful shots. Sources say the three AMRAAMs were launched in DMAX-1, the dynamic attack zone where the missile is unleashed at the limits of its range. On all three occasions, the Su-30s used countermeasures to dodge the incoming weapons.

While the other jets, including the Mirage 2000s also recorded locks on them from the said F-16s, Wing Commander Abhinandan’s MiG-21 out front was also ‘hot’ on an AMRAAM. However, he was now fully within visual range of an F-16 that was turning away to speed back towards Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. Livefist has been given to understand that Wing Commander responded to two warnings from radar controllers to turn back (since he was minutes from crossing into hostile airspace) with radar calls saying he had an aircraft in visual range and was attempting a manual close combat lock. Moments later, with his lock confirmed, he gave a final call saying he had the lock tone, before launching a single Vympel R-73 heat seeking missile. The pilot would later record in a debriefing that he saw his missile hit the retreating F-16 in the port rear section and that it was brought down. Moments later Wing Commander Abhinandan initiated evasive maneouvers to defeat the incoming AMRAAM. It remains unclear though if the missile struck his MiG-21, or if his jet was hit by air defence gunfire from the ground, forcing the pilot to punch out.

The R-73 fired by Wing Commander Abhinandan was the only Indian weapon launched during the aerial engagement, leading the Indian Air Force to officially attribute the F-16 kill to him. None of the other jets launched weapons — IAF sources suggest this was owing to a lack of target solutions at beyond visual range, though this will be the subject of investigation. It is also likely that rules of engagement had been modified, though the IAF has refused to confirm or deny. Several such questions remain unanswered at this time, including just why even a large package of fighters were able to test the ‘air superiority’ capabilities of the Su-30 MKI, the flagship of the Indian Air Force.

Had Abhinandan’s MiG-21 not managed to bring down a PAF jet, the proceedings above Sunderbani sector on February 27 would likely attract far more sweeping scrutiny. Experts believe it still should.

Re: Conflictos militares en Asia

NotaPublicado: Vie Mar 08, 2019 7:59 pm
por Silver Surfer
Among the jets were at least three Dassault Mirage III


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¡No para ser superado en "vintage factor" por los Mig-21 indios!
Si recuerdo correctamente, la flota Mirage III española se vendió como repuestos para la Fuerza Aérea de Pakistán. Así es como los mantienen estos viejos guerreros:

https://www.dawn.com/news/1404605