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Notapor Orel el Sab Ene 12, 2019 6:20 pm

Precisamente por lo que dices, pero al contrario con el "gordito". Quizá los Yankees piensen que poner el F-35 en manos Turcas, le pueda dar a los rusos ciertos accesos al sistema y de ahí las reticencias.-

Ésa es la cuestión.
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Notapor poliorcetes el Sab Ene 12, 2019 8:51 pm

Makutis86 escribió:
poliorcetes escribió:No entiendo la venta de S-400. Eso pone en manos americanas las verdaderas capacidades del sistema

Precisamente por lo que dices, pero al contrario con el "gordito". Quizá los Yankees piensen que poner el F-35 en manos Turcas, le pueda dar a los rusos ciertos accesos al sistema y de ahí las reticencias.-


Exacto. Es un problema para rusos y americanos. Es más, diría que si el S-400 va a ser vendido a Turquía... es porque sus capacidades ya son conocidas de todas formas

Y por cierto... ¿De quién se protegerían los turcos con los S-400? :)
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Notapor Orel el Dom Ene 13, 2019 12:01 am

Es más, diría que si el S-400 va a ser vendido a Turquía... es porque sus capacidades ya son conocidas de todas formas

Estoy de acuerdo.
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Notapor alejandro_ el Dom Ene 13, 2019 11:33 am

Quizá los Yankees piensen que poner el F-35 en manos Turcas, le pueda dar a los rusos ciertos accesos al sistema y de ahí las reticencias.-

Eso pone en manos americanas las verdaderas capacidades del sistema


Normalmente en los contratos se incluyen diferentes clausulas para evitar que terceros tengan acceso al sistema. Por ejemplo, los Su-30MKI de la India tiene un modo especial que se utiliza en ejercicios con terceros países y fuera de la India.

Por otra parte, lo normal es que el S-400 turco haya recibido ciertas modificaciones de cara a ser exportado.
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Notapor Milites el Dom Ene 13, 2019 12:36 pm

Efectivamente, el tema es que no se quiere una burbuja antiaérea desde el caucaso hasta Siria fuera de control, y menos de control ruso. Esa compra es la cabeza de playa de técnicos y presencia rusa. Bastante esta jorobando la AA de Siria. Es como si a Bielorrusia le diese por comprar Patriots. Si ya se ha sido reacio a poner Patriots en manos turcas, imaginemos S400.
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Notapor Orel el Lun Ene 14, 2019 8:28 pm

Turkey develops software to control S-400s, says top procurement official
11 January 2019
Turkey has been developing stand-alone software to control imported missile systems without jeopardising its sovereign rights, Ismail Demir, head of the Presidency of Defence Industries (SSB), said in a meeting with representatives of local dailies on 7 January.
Demir reiterated that Turkey would go ahead with the purchase of a Russian S-400 surface-to-air missile (SAM) battery under a USD2.5 billion deal, which includes an option for a second one, despite strong US opposition. Turkey will begin deploying S-400s in October.
https://www.janes.com/article/85672/tur ... t-official
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Notapor Orel el Vie Ene 18, 2019 11:20 am

:arrow: Singapur se compromete a adquirir una pequeña cantidad de F-35 para sustituir sus F-16, con posibilidades de ampliar a futuro:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... nt-455116/

:arrow: y lo que ya se venía comentando desde hace un tiempo, la USAF y la agencia de defensa antimisiles se plantean usar el F-35 como interceptor de misiles balísticos:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... il-455100/
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Notapor rubin75 el Vie Ene 18, 2019 4:21 pm

Respecto a Rusia, Turquía, Siria y Estados Unidos. Hay una cuestión geopolítica de primer orden. Turquía está basculando hacia Rusia . El Estado Sirio le debe la vida a Rusia. Aparte de haber ocupado militarmente la Península de Crimea, Vladi Putin es un demonio Bismarckiano el cual va a conseguir que Turquía abandone finalmente la OTAN. Esto sería catastrófico para la defensa de Europa.

Al final los Rusos tendrán acceso franco al Mediterraneo Oriental. Y al Oriente próximo. Por ello veo cómo Israel intenta llevarse bien con Rusia y con China.
Por tanto los F35 y su tecnología no deberían estar en manos de un Estado turco que va a entrar en la Esfera de influencia militar de Rusia.
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Notapor ruso el Vie Ene 18, 2019 8:00 pm

...va a conseguir que Turquía abandone finalmente la OTAN. Esto sería catastrófico para la defensa de Europa.

No veo por qué. A lo mejor para la OTAN, pero una cosa es la OTAN y otra Europa, y otra lo que muchos piensan que es Europa pero que es solamente una parte de Europa.
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Notapor poliorcetes el Vie Ene 18, 2019 8:23 pm

A mí me parece evidente que si Turquía cambia sus alianzas, se le debe negar acceso a los F-35

Al parecer, a los congresistas norteamericanos también

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Notapor elder el Dom Ene 20, 2019 1:46 pm

O simplemente que S-400 + F-35 en manos turcas, les pone en una disposición fantástica para estudiar todas las debilidades
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Notapor Orel el Mié Ene 23, 2019 11:07 am

Relevante: para ahorrar costes Japón se está planteando, tras montar los 42 F-35 originalmente firmados, cesar la producción local y comprar los 105 adicionales hechos en EEUU:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... io-455175/
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Notapor Lepanto el Jue Ene 24, 2019 8:30 am

Han repasado las cuentas. Si nos dejáramos de egos, otros también teníamos que hacer lo mismo en otros casos.
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Notapor champi el Dom Ene 27, 2019 1:40 pm

Entrevista con un piloto de F-35B: https://hushkit.net/2019/01/15/intervie ... r-paratus/
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RAF Wing Commander Scott Williams is currently flying the F-35B Lightning II, the world’s most advanced fighter, with the US Marine Corps. We interviewed him to find out more about what is also the world’s most controversial aircraft.

What were your first impressions of the F-35B? Technologically mind-blowing and a true engineering marvel. As a pilot it flies extremely smoothly and the handling is exceptional, especially when converting flight regimes to slow speed or jet-borne modes; that transition is almost imperceptibly smooth with no adverse characteristics. High angle-of-attack manoeuvring is very easy and forgiving, with excellent nose and flight control ‘authority’ throughout. Power is very apparent with impressive acceleration in dry power on take-off.

Which three words would you use to describe the F-35B? Lethal; Game-changing (I consider that one word!); Growth.

What are the greatest myths about the F-35B? That it isn’t operational; that stealth doesn’t ‘work’; that external stores on F-35 defeats the point of its design.

What are the best and worst things about the aircraft? The best thing is how quickly and effectively the F-35 allows the pilot to make decisions – fusing sensor and other data from onboard and off-board sources to display what’s out there and what’s going on. Worst thing? I’d like a bit more fuel but what pilot doesn’t?!

Have you flown basic fighter manoeuvres against Typhoons (or any other types) if so, how did the aircraft do? I haven’t flown BFM in the F-35B against Typhoon or other types (yet!) but I’m sure I will soon.

Though the aircraft is not designed primarily as a WVR ‘dogfighting’ platform -and this may not be a desirable way to fight- how would it do in this respect? Pretty darn well, but there are so many factors that determine the outcome of a WVR fight; pilot proficiency, situational awareness, missile capabilities, countermeasures…every one of these things make a difference but if one were to postulate that in 1000 BVR engagements only a few would likely end up in a WVR fight, you need to ask yourself where you should invest the money, proportionally. Designing a lightweight dogfighter was arguably relevant in the 1970s as fly-by-wire tech gave birth to increasing (super)manoeuvrability; today it isn’t anywhere near as important but still cool for air shows.

Can the aircraft currently work communicate well with Typhoons, what are the considerations in working together? I won’t talk about what we do with Typhoon but the communications have been tested on trials and they work. I’d say a generic consideration for working latest generation fighters with legacy platforms is ensuring you understand their capabilities and limitations.
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What’s the best thing about the sensors? How they interact and complement each other with sensor fusion. For 15 years I’ve flown aircraft that need a targeting pod strapped on – these things were normally only bought in limited numbers so you’d get to use them on specific events. Having a targeting pod on every single F35 (the EOTS – Electro-Optical Targeting System) is hugely beneficial for training in all missions.

How good is the situational awareness compared to other aircraft you have flown and how does that change things? Nothing compares to it. Nothing. And information changes everything. When you look at Boyd’s well-known OODA loop, traditionally the hardest things are to answer ‘what’s out there’, ‘what’s it doing’, ‘what do I need to do’. That decision loop can cause paralysis which can lead to a quick demise in a combat fight. F-35 helps enormously in this regard and allows the pilot to act rather than react – reacting is what we’ll make the enemy do. Constantly.

When will the British have a combat capable F-35 force? The UK has a combat capable F-35 force today and declared Initial Operating Capability very recently, so are able to deploy on combat operations at any point from herein. The Block 3F capability is highly combat capable, despite what you may wish to believe or what is written by a number of prominent bloggers.

What would you change about the F-35B? Across all three variants the B does has the least fuel, but I believe it makes up for that with the ability to operate from the QE Carriers, bases with much shorter runways (~3000ft, predominantly for a re-supply tactical AT platform), or even other nations’ carriers when required.

How does its reliability and ease of maintenance compare with other aircraft you’ve flown? Most of the previously reported reliability issues have been software-related in my experience. Maintenance is logical and designed to be as straightforward as possible but the still maturing F-35 global sustainment enterprise results in delays in supplying spares to a high number of demanding customers and countries. With 8.6+ million lines of software code, this aircraft is many times more complex in how it operates compared to a Typhoon (or even an F-22 Raptor) but the latest software and hardware combinations in Block 3F have resulted in improved reliability for sure!

Will a F-35B fly the close support mission in a different way to a GR4 or Typhoon? F-35 will be able to fly the mission in a much more hostile and contested airspace than a GR4 and Typhoon by virtue of its low observable capabilities. However, the rudiments of how a pilot conducts CAS do not necessarily change that much but differences in platform sensor capabilities are an example. It’s well documented that F-35 does not currently have a CCD capability in the EOTS so we’re restricted to infra-red only. That’s something I’d like to see improved soon in impending upgrades and it’s ‘in the plan’ so to speak. Expanded weapons integration in future will also open the variety of effects that we can give the ground commander too.

Do you like the helmet system? The HMD is a truly incredible piece of kit because it really does bring a further dimension to the situational awareness for the pilot. If you then consider the built-in Night Vision Camera and ability to project full-coverage IR imagery of the outside world no matter where you point your head, the ability to point or cue a weapon quickly by day or by night is a great capability.

What should I have asked you? What’s it like working closely with the US Marines! It’s awesome – those guys and girls work like Trojans to achieve the mission and we have a close relationship building for cooperation in future.

How would you rate its BVR capabilities? Second to none really. First to see is first to shoot, is first to kill. I recently heard a comment from someone that ‘…fighting the F-35 is like going into a boxing match and your opponent doesn’t even know you’re in the ring yet!’ I like that comment because our lethality is enhanced by being able to deliver the killer or knock-out blow to our opponents before they get enough awareness on what’s going on to prepare or do something about it.

How would you rate its ground attack and recce abilities compared to the GR4 or Typhoon? We only have Paveway IV currently, however this will expand with SPEAR 3 and other weapons in future but the single weapon option is a bit of a limitation of sorts right now, even though PWIV is an excellent weapon that’s proven itself against our enemies time and again. There is also potential for UK to procure the GAU-22/A Gun Pod if needs be and the USMC have already employed it. The variety of recce options on F-35 are good – from EOTS (IR) to DAS, to Radar Mapping, we have a true all-weather and, in many cases, multi-spectral recce capability. However, F-35 isn’t a dedicated “recce” platform so you can perhaps understand why there’s no pod like the RAPTor on Tornado as an example.
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