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no solo de traerse 24a y 6b, sino ademas de traerse lo mas importante, una maleta llena de contraprestaciones.
Primero porque tampoco es que Turquía hiciese gran cosa
4/1/2019
—JOHN A. TIRPAK
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F-35 Joint Program Office director Vice Adm. Mat Winter told Air Force Magazine in December that he’d been tasked to provide the Pentagon with an assessment of how Turkey’s expulsion from the program would affect the program.
“Turkey produces 844 parts for me,” Winter said in the interview, “and they are quality parts, affordable parts, and delivered on time.” He said Turkey is “one of my best partners.” Those components include cockpit displays, landing gear elements and fuselage pieces, among other items. In addition to supplying components, Turkey was to become a second source for F-35 center fuselages, which are produced in the US by Northrop Grumman. Turkey was also to be the site of an F135 engine overhaul facility for F-35 users in the Middle East/Southwest Asia region.
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4/4/2019
—BRIAN EVERSTINE
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There are seven companies inside Turkey that produce parts, which combined equal about 6-7 percent of the total F-35 supply chain, Winter said. “Right now there’s no disruption to the supply chain from any partners,” but if Turkey is cut off from the program, that would interrupt the flow of parts, not only to the Fort Worth line, but also production facilities in Italy and Japan, Winter said. There would be an impact within 45-90 days of slowing down the delivery of parts, potentially causing a delay that would impact 50-75 airplanes over a two-year time period, he added.
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Below are details on the eight Turkish companies who have supported the development and/or production of F-35 / F135.
• Alp Aviation has been supporting the program since 2004 and currently manufactures F-35 production airframe structure and assemblies, production landing gear components and over 100 F135 production engine parts to include titanium integrated blade rotors.
• Ayesas currently is the sole source supplier for two major F-35 components – missile remote interface unit and the panoramic cockpit display.
• Fokker Elmo manufactures 40 percent of the F-35 Electrical Wiring & Interconnection System (EWIS) and will also deliver and support TAI with all center section wiring systems. Fokker Elmo is also developing the EWIS for the F135 engine, for which a major share is produced in Fokker Elmo Turkey in Izmir.
• Havelsan has been supporting the F-35 training systems since 2005. Additionally, Havelsan has been instrumental as the Turkish lead for developing the construct of the future Turkish F-35 Integrated Pilot and Maintenance Training Center (ITC) and associated training systems in Turkey.
• Kale Aerospace has been supporting the F-35 since 2005. In conjunction with Turkish Aerospace Industries, they manufacture and produce F-35 airframe structures and assemblies. Kale Aero also supports Heroux Devtek as the sole source supplier for all three variants landing gear up lock assemblies. Additionally, Kale Aerospace has also established a joint venture in Izmir with Pratt & Whitney and is manufacturing production hardware for the F135 engine.
• ROKETSAN and Tubitak-SAGE are the Turkish joint leadership team who strategically manage the development, integration, and production of the advanced precision-guided Stand-off Missile (SOM-J) which will be carried internally on the 5th Generation F-35 aircraft. Additionally, Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control has partnered with Roketsan, through a teaming agreement, to jointly develop, produce, market and sell the advanced, precision guided Stand Off Missile – Joint Strike Fighter (SOM-J).
• Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has been strategically supporting the F-35 Program since 2008. The company currently supplies production hardware that goes into every F-35 production aircraft. In conjunction with Northrup Grumman, TAI manufactures and assembles the center fuselages, produces composite skins and weapon bay doors, and manufactures fiber placement composite air inlet ducts. Additionally, TAI is strategically manufacturing 45 percent of the F-35’s including Air-to-Ground Pylons and adapters which is Alternate Mission Equipment (AME).
Additionally, Turkish Industry are going to have significant Industrial Participation role supporting Lockheed Martin and Pratt and Whitney for F-35 aircraft sustainment and F135 engine production and sustainment. Turkey has been given the approval to build its own F135 engines and was also selected to have the first European Regional F135 Engine depot overhaul capability. Both the engine production and overhaul will take place at the 1st HIBM in Eskisehir. Additionally, TAI has also been assigned to represent the organic depots of the Turkish Armed Forces within the Autonomic Logistic Global Sustainment (ALGS) system and Havelsan has been assigned as the Turkish Integrator for the National Integrated Training Center (ITC).
Primero porque tampoco es que Turquía hiciese gran cosa
No es despreciable,
Orel escribió:no solo de traerse 24a y 6b, sino ademas de traerse lo mas importante, una maleta llena de contraprestaciones.
6B es poquísimo, con eso sí que la Armada no hace nada. Y algunas sí, pero tanto como una maleta llena de contraprestaciones va a ser que no. Primero porque tampoco es que Turquía hiciese gran cosa y segundo porque es muy dudoso que lo que hicieran nos lo fueran a dar todo a nosotros, y menos con esa baja cantidad comprada (Turquía esperaba 100).
evol escribió:Y en cuanto contra prestaciones, a estas alturas, mejor el software que otra cosa.
Israel y Reino Unido son dos excepciones, parciales, en todo esto. Israel ha llegado a un acuerdo separado con el gobierno de USA para montar sus sistemas y Reino Unido dice que tiene autonomía de software, de hecho dicen que casi todo de su pequeña participación en desarrollo es software.Roberto Montesa escribió:evol escribió:Y en cuanto contra prestaciones, a estas alturas, mejor el software que otra cosa.
Pues con hacer como en los texan propuestos, qu evengan a pelo y contratar a INDRA los simuladores y a Gamesa y otras equipos de tierra, test, bancadas de motores, software, EW.. ahi está nuestra experiencia, de las empresas, del CLAEX, de integrar armamento propio, etc, etc...si lo hace israel, lo podemos hacer nosotros.
Que no hace falta montar el avion ni fabricar la rueda derecha de los aparatos del pentagono, para que sea rentable... vease el programa chinook, por citar el mas reciente.
Y ojo que luego puedes acabar cobrando a los marines de la 'fuerza para africa' el mantenimiento de sus aviones estacionados o destacados a Rota, al tener experiencia (industria, maestranzas) con los nuestros.
Puedes ampliar la colaboracion OTAN con italia y la fuerza conjunta anfibia, a las operaciones aeronavales, y lo mismo cae una colaboracion con los italianos a la hora de mantener los aviones, como el programa harrier... compartiendo el gasto d eintegrar sistemas 'europeos', etc
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