F-35 Lightning II

[Pathfinder]

Orel, sobre el RCS del F-35 y sus fuentes...
Hostage...

Gracias, Pathfinder!
Por lo que sabemos todos, el F-22 no es exportable porque es más confidencial que el F-35. Y lo es entre otras cosas por su alto nivel de furtividad. Debido a ello, hasta dentro de bastante tiempo nadie va a poder decir con seguridad cuál es más furtivo porque cuando se ejercita el F-22 contra otros y es público, siempre lo hace limitado. Pero por lógica, si uno es más secreto, es más probable que ése sea más "stealth". A futuro, cuando desclasifiquen, podrá saberse con seguridad.

La furtividad no es solo en lo que respecta al espectro radioeléctrico, sino también a otros aspectos como el infrarrojo.

Eso lo sé bien De hecho, en combate el F-22 es globalmente más furtivo en el IR que el F-35, porque vuela en supercrucero. Puede volar en supersónico sin necesidad de usar postcombustión, que incrementa una barbaridad la firma IR. Y para nuestros lectores: en combate AA siempre se pasa a supersónico y en combate AS como poco se procura huir en supersónico. Cuanto más rápido llegues/ataques/huyas, mejor.

Sobre el primer párrafo, el F-22 no fue exportable, porque de un inicio no se pensó en exportar esa tecnología, primero porque iba a ser muy caro, y pocos paises podían afrontar en los 90 con la Unión soviética desmoronándose, no había necesidad de la compra de un avión tan caro ante la falta ya de claras amenazas y segundo porque al ser una tecnología novedosa querían disfrutarla de inicio en exclusiva como es lógico. Así pues cuando se diseñó, no se diseñó con la mente puesta en su exportación que requiere de un diseño diferente para evitar la tecnología inversa.

Cuando Japón se interesó por el avión e incluso Australia, hubo una posibilidad de exportar el F-22, pero los americanos no iban a correr con el gasto de rediseñar el avión de nuevo en aquellos elementos necesarios para evitar hacerle tecnología inversa, era un gasto que tendría que asumir en exclusiva Japón. Éstos lo estudiaron y llegaron a la conclusión que era muy caro, y ahí quedó la cosa.

Con respecto al F-35 fue todo lo contrario, un avión exportable desde un inicio, luego su diseño ya es de exportación y cuenta con tecnología que evite en lo posible la realización de tecnología inversa.



Sobre tú último párrafo es cierto, al meter afterburner y pasar de subsónico a supersónico vas a incrementar tu firma térmica, pero eso hasta un punto pequeño en el caso del F-35. Primero porque el paso de un regimén a otro es muy rápido (apenas 6-8 segundos le lleva a la versión A pasar de Mach 0.8 a 1.2), y luego el F-35 es capaz de mantener supercrucero sin el uso de afterburner durante más de 200 millas náuticas. Y luego está el hecho de que si hay un avión creado desde un inicio para la lucha en el espectro infrarojo es el F-35. Por cuanto a sensores (DAS-360 º) y por cuanto a materiales y diseño.

La RAM del F-35 también reduce su firma térmica, la fricción del avión a altas velocidades hace que el fuselaje se caliente. Además el propulsor está aislado completamente de la célula por medio de canales que lo refrigeran.




Las tomas de entrada de la refrigeración



Y luego está el tratamiento de los escapes, para reducir su penacho de escape. Esto lo consigue mediante la instalación de escapes en forma de diente de sierra por un lado, y por otro el propulsor está provisto de un alto By Pass (el mayor de todos los propulsores existentes).



Se puede ver que un alto Bypass, reduce la firma térmica.



Así pues, da por hecho que el F-35 es más furtivo no solo desde un punto de vista radioeléctrico sino incluso térmico que el F-22. El F-22 es más rápido, puede combatir a cotas más elevadas y es más maniobrable, es un caza de superioridad aérea puro y duro, y en eso nadie le va ganar, pero en furtividad, hay otro chico en la oficina.


Y ahora un ejemplo ilustrativo del 5 generación ruso. Eso que se ve ahí marcado, es titanio, porque otro material no soportaría las altas temperaturas; Conclusión: su firma térmica es enorme.

[Vorlon]

Joder, con el gordito.

Un desastre de programa , como lo han llevado y el tiempo invertido por no ir dando los pasos que siempre se han dado, pero al final va ser el jugador que marque la diferencia en las fuerzas aéreas occidentales.

Había leído y mantienen en diferentes medios, que el F-35 no tenia capacidad de supercrucero. ¿...?

Un saludo

[champi]

Los primeros lotes eran los que el precio del propulsor iba aparte, pero actualmente y desde hace ya muchos lotes ya va incluído.

En principio de acuerdo... pero todavía se siguen contratando materiales y piezas para ellos a parte.

Los 80 millones de dolares para el lote 13 es precio del avión completo (célula+propulsor+aviónica).

Aquí sin embargo no coincido.

Esos precios salieron tras el contrato firmado para completar el lote 12 para EEUU y respecto a los adelantos para el 13 - 14 por parte de los países socios/clientes (2018/11). En principio, quien dio el precio de $80 milliones fue LM. Ellos mismos dijeron entonces que era una estimación y como ya he dicho, también dejaron bien claro que el motor iba en una UCA a parte. Hay que recordar que el contrato "gordo" para el lote 12 vino después de ese de finales del año pasado y ya se ha superado la cifra de los $80 millones con creces. Veremos lo que nos depara el Lote 13 (ya hay también contratos firmados para el motor).

Hata ahora, lo que hay respecto al lote 12 es esto (2016/09): https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... le/933556/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded an $18,000,000 fixed-price-incentive, firm-target modification to a previously awarded advance acquisition contract (N00019-16-C-0033). This modification provides for long lead time materials, parts, components and effort required to maintain the planned production schedule for one F-35A low-rate initial production (LRIP) Lot 11 aircraft, and two F-35A and one F-35B LRIP Lot 12 aircraft for a non-U.S. Department of Defense participant in the F-35 program. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (55 percent); El Segundo, California (15 percent); Warton, United Kingdom (10 percent); Orlando, Florida (5 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (5 percent); Baltimore, Maryland (5 percent); and Cameri, Italy (5 percent), and is expected to be completed in January 2021. Non-U.S. Department of Defense participant funds in the amount of $18,000,000 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2017/04: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1167080/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a not-to-exceed $1,377,002,000 advance acquisition contract for long-lead time materials, parts, components, and effort for 130 low-rate initial production Lot 12 F-35 Lightning II aircraft for the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, non-U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) participants, and foreign military sales customers. In addition this contract provides long-lead time materials, parts, components, and effort for 110 Lot 13 and 14 F-35 Lightning II aircraft for the non-U.S. DoD participants and foreign military sales customers. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (30 percent); El Segundo, California (25 percent); Warton, United Kingdom (20 percent); Orlando, Florida (10 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (5 percent); Nagoya, Japan (5 percent); and Baltimore, Maryland (5 percent), and is expected to be completed in December 2018. Fiscal 2017 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps); non-U.S. DoD participant; and foreign military sales funds in the amount of $1,377,002,000 are being obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This order combines purchases for the Air Force ($315,500,000; 23 percent); Marine Corps ($128,925,000; 9 percent); Navy ($43,509,000; 3 percent); non-U.S. DoD participant ($524,446,000; 38 percent), and foreign military sales customers ($364,622,000; 27 percent). This contract was not competitively procured pursuant to Federal Acquisition Regulation 6.302-1. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity (N00019-17-C-0001).
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2017/07: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1248427/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a not-to-exceed $9,222,000 modification to a previously awarded advance acquisition contract (N00019-17-C-0001) for additional long-lead material and parts in support of the low-rate initial production Lots 12, 13, and 14 F-35 Lightning II aircraft for the government of the Netherlands. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (30 percent); El Segundo, California (25 percent); Warton, UK (20 percent); Orlando, Florida (10 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (5 percent); Nagoya, Japan (5 percent); and Baltimore, Maryland (5 percent), and is expected to be completed in December 2019. International partner funds in the amount of $9,222,000 are being obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2018/03: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1474871/

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United Technologies Corp., Pratt & Whitney Military Engines, East Hartford, Connecticut, is being awarded a $239,691,086 advanced acquisition contract for long-lead materials, parts, and components for 137 low rate initial Production Lot 12 F135 propulsion systems for the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, non-U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) participants, and foreign military sales (FMS) customers. This includes 46 F135-PW-100 propulsion systems for the Air Force; 20 F135-PW-600 propulsion systems for the Marine Corps; four F135-PW-100 propulsion systems for the Navy; 63 F135-PW-100 and four F135-PW-600 propulsion systems for non-U.S. DoD participants and FMS customers. Work will be performed in East Hartford, Connecticut (67 percent); Indianapolis, Indiana (26.5 percent); and Bristol, United Kingdom (6.5 percent), and is expected to be completed in January 2021. Fiscal 2017 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps); non-U.S. DoD participant; and FMS funds in the amount of $239,691,086 are being obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract combines purchases for the Air Force ($88,712,796; 37 percent); Marine Corps ($43,786,916; 18 percent); Navy ($8,860,460; 4 percent); non-U.S. DoD participant ($64,429,754; 27 percent); and foreign military sales customers ($33,901,160; 14 percent). This contract was not competitively procured pursuant to Federal Acquisition Regulation 6.302-1. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity (N00019-18-C-1021).
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2018/04: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1503297/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded a $38,499,420 modification to the previously awarded F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter advance acquisition contract (N00019-17-C-0001). This modification provides additional funding for the low-rate initial production of long lead materials, parts, components, and effort for economic order quantity increases for the Navy (Lot) 12; and the government of Italy (Lots 13 and 14). Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (30 percent); El Segundo, California (25 percent); Warton, United Kingdom (20 percent); Orlando, Florida (10 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (5 percent); Nagoya, Japan (5 percent); and Baltimore, Maryland (5 percent), and is expected to be completed in December 2019. Fiscal 2017 aircraft procurement (Navy); and non-Department of Defense(DoD) participant funds in the amount of $38,499,420 are obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This modification combines purchases for the Navy ($28,499,120; 74 percent); and non-DoD participants ($10,000,000; 20.03 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2018/09: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1632076/

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United Technologies Corp., Pratt & Whitney Military Engines, East Hartford, Connecticut, is awarded $187,553,466 for modification P00001 to a previously awarded fixed-price-incentive-firm target contract (N00019-18-C-1021). This modification provides for fiscal 2018 Initial Spare Modules, Parts and Afloat/Deployment Spares Package in support of the F135 Lot 12 Propulsion Production contract. This modification provides for the procurement of initial spare common fan modules, augmentors, power and gearbox modules, engine nozzles, lift fans and clutches in support of in support of the Marine Corps, Air Force, Navy, non-U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) participants and Foreign Military Sales (FMS) customers. Work will be performed in East Hartford, Connecticut (67 percent); Indianapolis, Indiana (26.5 percent); and Bristol, United Kingdom (6.5 percent), and is expected to be completed in September 2021. Fiscal 2018 aircraft procurement (Marine Corps, Air Force and Navy); non-U.S. DoD participant, and FMS funds in the amount of $187,553,466 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This modification combines purchases for Marine Corps ($67,324,338, 36 percent); Air Force ($44,322,884, 24 percent); Navy ($1,071,466, 1 percent); non-U.S. DoD participants ($57,460,076; 31 percent); and FMS ($17,374,702; 9 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2018/11: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... vDelivery/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $22,712,874,822 not-to-exceed undefinitized contract modification to a previously awarded fixed-price-incentive-firm-target, firm-fixed-price advanced acquisition contract (N00019-17-C-0001) for 255 aircraft. This modification provides for the production and delivery of 106 F-35 aircraft for the U.S. services (64 F-35As Air Force; 26 F-35Bs Marine Corps; 16 F-35Cs Navy); 89 F-35s for non-Department of Defense (DoD) participants (71 F-35As, 18 F-35 Bs); and 60 F-35s for Foreign Military Sales customers (60 F-35As). The U.S. aircraft quantities are for the Lot 12 program of record plus fiscal 2018/fiscal 2019 aircraft quantity congressional adds. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (57 percent); El Segundo, California (14 percent); Warton, United Kingdom (9 percent); Cameri, Italy (4 percent); Orlando, Florida (4 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (3 percent); Baltimore, Maryland (3 percent); San Diego, California (2 percent); Nagoya, Japan (2 percent); and various locations outside the continental U.S. (2 percent), and is expected to be completed in March 2023. Fiscal 2018 and 2019 aircraft procurement funds (Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy) in the amount of $3,505,522,468 (59 percent); non-DoD participant funds in the amount of $1,578,531,164 (26 percent); and Foreign Military Sales funds in the amount of $916,667,000 (15 percent) for a total of $6,000,720,632 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2019/07: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1895053/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded $348,223,161 for modification P00019 to a previously awarded cost-plus-fixed-fee contract (N00019-17-C-0001). This modification is for production non-recurring, special tooling and special test equipment in support of low-rate initial production Lot 12 F-35 Lightning II aircraft for the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, non-U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) partners and foreign military sales (FMS) customers. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (23.80%); El Segundo, California (23.86%); San Diego, California (17.03%); Samlesbury, United Kingdom (7.65%); Orlando, Florida (6.63%); Cedar Rapids, Iowa (3.44%); Nashua, New Hampshire (2.71%); Clearfield, Utah (2.15%); Marietta, Georgia (1.77%); East Aurora, New York (1.59%); Palmdale, California (1.40%); Cheltenham, United Kingdom (0.96%); Turin, Italy (0.81%); Clearwater, Florida (0.79%); Melbourne, Florida (0.60%); Irvine, California (0.58%); Kongsberg, Norway (0.53%); Arlington, Texas (0.48%); Rolling Meadows, Illinois (0.46%); Tempe, Arizona (0.38%); Inglewood, California (0.33%); Papendrecht, Netherlands (0.28); Garden Grove, California (0.21%); Montmorency, Australia (0.20%); Marion, Virginia (0.17%); Independence, Ohio (0.14%); Amesbury, Massachusetts (0.13%); Rome, New York (0.13%); Los Angeles, California (0.10%); Hot Springs, Arkansas (0.10%); Lystrup, Denmark (0.09%); Grand Rapids, Michigan (0.09%); Owego, New York (0.07%); Sharon, Massachusetts (0.06%); Wichita, Kansas (0.06%); Boulder, Colorado (0.05%); Carlsbad, California (0.04%); Ontario, California (0.04%); Delta, British Columbia, Canada (0.03%); Long Beach, California (0.01%); Lindenhurst, New York (0.01%); Eskisehr, Turkey (0.01%); Saint Peters, Missouri (0.01%); Santa Fe Springs, California (0.01%); and Rancho Cucamonga, California (0.01%). Work is expected to be completed in August 2022. Fiscal 2017 aircraft procurement (Navy and Marine Corps); fiscal 2018 and 2019 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps); non-U.S. DoD partner and FMS funds in the amount of $348,223,161 are being obligated at time of award, $17,899,115 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This modification combines purchases for the Air Force ($129,642,270; 38%); Navy ($69,738,685; 20%); Marine Corps ($61,001,500; 17%); non-U.S. DoD partners ($60,840,706; 17%) and FMS customers ($27,000,000; 8%). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2019/07: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1909668/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $77,708,000 modification (P00019) to a previously awarded firm-fixed-price, fixed-price-incentive-firm-target advanced acquisition contract (N00019-17-C-0001). This modification provides for the procurement of software data loads as well as long lead material and parts for the delivery of F-35 Lightning II low-rate initial production Lots 12, 13 and 14. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (30%); El Segundo, California (25%); Warton, United Kingdom (20%); Orlando, Florida (10%); Nashua, New Hampshire (5%); Nagoya, Japan (5%); and Baltimore, Maryland (5%), and is expected to be completed in March 2023. International partner funds in the amount of $77,708,000 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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Es curioso que se sigan comprando "herramientas" después de doce lotes de producción. No es fácil calcular con los precios de los distintos lotes mezclados, pero tirando por lo bajo, el precio medio por unidad contratado ahora mismo para el lote 12 sobrepasa los $95 millones. Por cierto, todavía faltan contratos por firmar y no cuento los referentes a bases o a mantenimiento.

[Pathfinder]

Los primeros lotes eran los que el precio del propulsor iba aparte, pero actualmente y desde hace ya muchos lotes ya va incluído.

En principio de acuerdo... pero todavía se siguen contratando materiales y piezas para ellos a parte.

Los 80 millones de dolares para el lote 13 es precio del avión completo (célula+propulsor+aviónica).

Aquí sin embargo no coincido.

Esos precios salieron tras el contrato firmado para completar el lote 12 para EEUU y respecto a los adelantos para el 13 - 14 por parte de los países socios/clientes (2018/11). En principio, quien dio el precio de $80 milliones fue LM. Ellos mismos dijeron entonces que era una estimación y como ya he dicho, también dejaron bien claro que el motor iba en una UCA a parte. Hay que recordar que el contrato "gordo" para el lote 12 vino después de ese de finales del año pasado y ya se ha superado la cifra de los $80 millones con creces. Veremos lo que nos depara el Lote 13 (ya hay también contratos firmados para el motor).

Hata ahora, lo que hay es esto...
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Vamos a ver Champi, deja de liarte. Hablando de coste de la versión A.

1) El coste del Lote 11 (el que se está produciendo actualmente) es de 89 millones de dólares. Y va TODO incluido, célula-aviónica-propulsor.

Pagina oficial de LM.
https://www.f35.com/about/cost



2) el coste bajará en el Lote 13 (2021) a menos de 80 millones de dólares, acuerdo suscrito por LM y el pentágono en Junio de este año.

https://www.janes.com/article/89157/pen ... n-contract
The unit price for all three variants was reduced as well, and the F-35A unit price will fall below USD80 million, a key benchmark, in Lot 13.

[Milites]

De la ANAO. Cambio dolar australiano a americano X 0.68.
Dic 2018

Extracto literal del traductor

https://www.anao.gov.au/work/performanc ... ustainment

Defensa ajusta rutinariamente el presupuesto total de adquisición aprobado para su avión JSF para las variaciones del tipo de cambio. En octubre de 2018, Defensa informó a la ANAO que, al 30 de septiembre de 2018, el presupuesto de adquisición era de $ 17.28 mil millones, y el presupuesto de mantenimiento aprobado hasta 2024-25 fue de $ 4.9 mil millones.


Los preparativos del Departamento de Defensa hasta la fecha para la introducción y el mantenimiento del avión Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) en el servicio australiano han sido efectivos con la excepción de los arreglos para el mantenimiento del avión JSF bajo la Solución de Soporte Global. El mantenimiento de JSF no se puede calcular por completo hasta que la Solución de soporte global madure aún más.

La implementación efectiva de los arreglos de sostenimiento continuos de Defence depende en gran medida de que el Departamento de Defensa de los Estados Unidos entregue la Solución de Soporte Global, que aún está madurando

La naturaleza de desarrollo del Programa internacional JSF y la estrategia de adquisición significa que Defense aún no conoce el precio final de compra de futuros aviones australianos, o los costos operativos y de soporte de toda la vida del avión.

El programa internacional Joint Strike Fighter se gestiona dentro del proceso de adquisición del Departamento de Defensa de los Estados Unidos.

El presupuesto general aprobado para las obras de las instalaciones fue de $ 1.477 mil millones ( 2014-15 superados). 

Defense espera que "a medida que el GSS alcance un estado estable, la empresa JSF podrá capturar los costos reales, en lugar de utilizar costos pronosticados o pronosticados que deberían reducir la probabilidad de aumentos inesperados de los costos".

El Sistema de Información Logística Autonómica (ALIS) posee una primacía funcional, por lo tanto reemplaza el uso de muchos sistemas [de la Organización de Defensa Australiana] en apoyo de la capacidad del F-35A.

Defensa informó a la ANAO que su contribución al grupo mundial de repuestos, comenzando en 2013-14 hasta finales de 2017-18, fue de US $ 45,4 millones, y que esta financiación se asignó del presupuesto de adquisición aprobado para el proyecto. La defensa informó además a la ANAO que ha asignado otros US $ 256.1 millones del presupuesto de adquisición aprobado en los próximos cinco años para contribuciones adicionales a los repuestos iniciales en el grupo de repuestos global.

Defensa no espera tener una estimación confiable de los costos de mantenimiento de toda la vida de su avión JSF hasta después de 2020.

La naturaleza de desarrollo del Programa internacional JSF significa que Defensa aún no conoce el precio final de compra de futuros aviones JSF australianos, o sus costos operativos y de soporte de toda la vida. 

En consecuencia, la decisión del gobierno de 2014 de comprar el avión JSF no se basó en estimaciones confiables de costos de toda la vida, ya que no se disponía de datos de costos maduros.

En 2016, Defense informó al gobierno australiano que los costos estimados de soporte para el avión JSF `` siguen siendo altos y las economías de escala aún no eran evidentes '', y en noviembre de 2018, Defense informó a ANAO que este consejo sigue vigente.

En 2017, Defensa informó al Ministro que no espera una mayor certeza sobre los costos de mantenimiento hasta que se definan y acuerden los arreglos de apoyo que sustentan el GSS, y se establezcan los arreglos comerciales necesarios para apoyar el GSS. 

[Vorlon]

En consecuencia, para disputar a China y Rusia , EEUU necesita más F-35 y sustituir lo más rápido posible sus ya avejentados aviones de cuarta generación.

Un saludo

[champi]

Vamos a ver Champi, deja de liarte.

Yo lo tengo muy claro.

Como utilizas la página de LM, aunque ya la puse antes, vamos otra vez con ella (más actual que la que pones, que habla del lote 11): https://www.f35.com/news/detail/f-35-jo ... r-more-tha

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This award brings the Department of Defense into compliance with Congressional direction by placing all 20 FY18 (Lot 12) and 16 FY19 (Lot 13) congressional plus up aircraft on contract. It also establishes a $22.7 billion not-to-exceed contract threshold for LRIP 12 aircraft. This Undefinitized Contract Action (UCA) enables F-35 production to continue efficiently while the government and industry teams reach contract agreement. We are committed to reducing costs, and confident the final negotiated LRIP 12 aircraft unit prices will be less than LRIP 11, and enable us to deliver on our goal of an $80 million F-35A by 2020. In parallel, a separate Lot 12 propulsion UCA between the JPO and Pratt & Whitney is currently being negotiated.
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Bueno, pues LM nos da una estimación del precio... sin motores. Por lo que estamos viendo, para el lote 12 ya se han superado esos precios y para el 13 veremos. En la noticia de Jane's que pusiste no lo especifica, pero el contrato final de esos lotes se debería firmar este agosto y todavía estamos esperando: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... TB27T?il=0

Por cierto, eso sumaría más precio al lote 12, y ya vamos por $95 millones...

Respecto al lote 11, anteriormente pusiste una captura del informe SAR (2018/03). LM hizo esa predicción (o promesa) y coincide más o menos con la cifra estimada del informe ($89,8 millones la unidad): https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Docu ... c_2017.pdf

Aquí hay que explicar que la cifra dada por el informe es el resultado de dividir el coste total previsto de la adquisición al final del programa entre 2.443 unidades... en dólares del FY2012.

Vamos con la realidad del lote 11:

2015/12: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... le/637649/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $1,171,206,489 advance acquisition contract for the advance procurement of long lead time materials, parts, components and effort to maintain the planned production schedule for F-35 low rate initial production lot 11 aircraft. The advance acquisition effort includes 80 F-35A aircraft (28 for the U.S. Air Force; 6 for the government of Norway; 4 for the government of Turkey; 8 for the government of the Netherlands; 8 for the government of Australia; 10 for the government of Israel; 6 for the government of Japan; and 10 for the government of South Korea); 7 F-35B aircraft (6 for the U.S. Marine Corps; and 1 for the United Kingdom); and 4 F-35C aircraft for the U.S. Navy. This contract also includes an undefinitized contract action for production of 2 F-35A aircraft for the U.S. Air Force and F-35C aircraft for the U.S. Navy. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (55 percent); El Segundo, California (15 percent); Warton, United Kingdom (10 percent); Orlando, Florida (5 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (5 percent); Baltimore, Maryland (5 percent); and Nagoya, Japan (5 percent), and is expected to be completed in December 2019. Fiscal 2015 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Navy), fiscal 2016 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps), non-U.S. DoD partner and foreign military sales funds in the amount of $847,929,604 are being obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract combines purchase for the U.S. Air Force ($401,509,516; 34.3 percent); U.S. Navy ($256,433,369; 21.9 percent); U.S. Marine Corps ($106,500,000; 9.1 percent); non-U.S. DoD partners ($207,069,044; 17.7 percent) and foreign military sales ($199,694,560; 17 percent) under the Foreign Military Sales program. This contract was not competitively procured pursuant to FAR 6.302-1. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity (N00019-16-C-0033).
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2016/03: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... le/703910/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $179,916,000 fixed-price-incentive, firm-target modification to a previously awarded advance acquisition contract (AAC) N00019-C-16-0033 for the advance procurement of long lead time materials, parts, components, and effort to maintain the planned production schedule for low-rate initial production (LRIP) Lot 11 F-35 aircraft. The effort also increases the quantity of aircraft that the LRIP 11 AAC supports for the Air Force by 15 F-35A variant aircraft, and for the Marine Corps by 10 F-35B variant aircraft. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (55 percent); El Segundo, California (15 percent); Warton, United Kingdom (10 percent); Orlando, Florida (5 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (5 percent); Baltimore, Maryland (5 percent); and Cameri, Italy (5 percent), and is expected to be completed in December 2019. Fiscal 2016 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps) funds in the amount of $179,916,000 are being obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract combines purchase for the Air Force ($118,142,000; 65.6 percent); Navy ($16,509,000; 9.2 percent), and Marine Corps ($45,265,000; 25.2 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2016/05: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... le/747606/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $1,271,800,000 not-to-exceed undefinitized modification to the previously awarded low-rate initial production Lot 11 advance acquisition contract N00019-16-C-0033 for aircraft added by the U.S. services in fiscal 2016 budget deliberations and by Congress in the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2016. This modification provides for the delivery of 13 F-35 Lightning II aircraft for the Marine Corps (six F-35B); Air Force (three F-35A); and Navy (four F-35C). Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (55 percent); El Segundo, California (15 percent); Warton, United Kingdom (10 percent); Orlando, Florida (5 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (5 percent); Baltimore, Maryland (5 percent); and Cameri, Italy (5 percent), and is expected to be completed in December 2019. Fiscal 2016 aircraft procurement (Marine Corps, Air Force, and Navy) funds in the amount of $311,900,000 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the fiscal year. This modification combines purchases for the Marine Corps ($574,200,000; 45.2 percent); Air Force ($252,000,000; 19.8 percent); and Navy ($445,600,000; 35 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2016/09: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... le/933556/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded an $18,000,000 fixed-price-incentive, firm-target modification to a previously awarded advance acquisition contract (N00019-16-C-0033). This modification provides for long lead time materials, parts, components and effort required to maintain the planned production schedule for one F-35A low-rate initial production (LRIP) Lot 11 aircraft, and two F-35A and one F-35B LRIP Lot 12 aircraft for a non-U.S. Department of Defense participant in the F-35 program. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (55 percent); El Segundo, California (15 percent); Warton, United Kingdom (10 percent); Orlando, Florida (5 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (5 percent); Baltimore, Maryland (5 percent); and Cameri, Italy (5 percent), and is expected to be completed in January 2021. Non-U.S. Department of Defense participant funds in the amount of $18,000,000 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2017/06: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1236003/

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United Technologies Corp., Pratt & Whitney Military Engines, East Hartford, Connecticut, is being awarded a not-to-exceed $339,645,342 undefinitized modification to a previously awarded low-rate initial production (LRIP) Lot 11 advance acquisition contract (N00019-17-C-0020). This modification provides for the procurement of propulsion system initial spares for Global Spares Pool in support of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft. This includes initial spare engines, initial spare modules, and initial spare parts required to support the LRIP Lot 11 aircraft delivery schedule. Work will be performed in East Hartford, Connecticut (93 percent); Indianapolis, Indiana (6 percent); and Bristol, United Kingdom (1 percent), and is expected to be completed in June 2020. Fiscal 2015, 2017 aircraft procurement (Air Force and Navy) funds; fiscal 2016 aircraft procurement (Navy), and foreign military sales (FMS) funds in the amount of $248,472,749 are being obligated at time of award, $129,283,264 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This modification combines purchases for the Air Force ($130,330,218; 38 percent); the Navy ($97,815,983; 29 percent); international partners ($91,172,593; 27 percent); and FMS customers ($20,326,548; 6 percent) under the Foreign Military Sales program. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2017/07: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1240931/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $5,577,714,486 modification to a previously awarded F-35 Lightning II low-rate initial production (LRIP) Lot 11 advance acquisition contract (N00019-16-C-0033). The LRIP 11 contract contains requirements for the Air Force, Marine Corps, Navy, international partner nations, and foreign military sales (FMS) customers. This modification provides for the procurement of 74 fiscal 2017 aircraft, comprised of 48 F-35A aircraft for the Air Force, 18 F-35B aircraft for the Marine Corps, and eight F-35C aircraft for the Navy and Marine Corps. In addition, this modification adds funding to previously awarded fiscal 2015 and 2016 aircraft contract line item numbers for the U.S. Services. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (55 percent); El Segundo, California (15 percent); Warton, United Kingdom (10 percent); Orlando, Florida (5 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (5 percent); Baltimore, Maryland (5 percent); and Cameri, Italy (5 percent), and is expected to be completed in December 2020. Fiscal 2015, 2016, and 2017 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps) funds in the amount of $4,491,634,930 will be obligated at time of award, $275,641,724 of which will expire at the end of the fiscal year. This modification combines purchases for the Air Force ($3,428,766,751; 61 percent); Navy ($1,444,492,090; 26 percent); and the Marine Corps ($704,455,645; 13 percent). An undefinitized not-to-exceed contract modification to fund procurement of 50 F-35 Partner and FMS aircraft for $2.2 billion is anticipated within the month of July 2017. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2017/07: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1261678/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $3,693,062,124 undefinitized not-to-exceed modification to the previously awarded low-rate initial production Lot 11 F-35 Lightning II advance acquisition contract (N00019-16-C-0033). This modification provides for the procurement of 50 aircraft for non-Department of Defense participants and foreign military sales (FMS) customers comprised of one F-35B aircraft for the UK; one F-35A aircraft for Italy; eight F-35A aircraft for Australia; eight F-35A aircraft for the Netherlands; four F-35A aircraft for Turkey; six F-35A aircraft for Norway; and 22 F-35A aircraft for FMS customers. In addition, this modification adds scope for mission equipment and chase maintenance activity for the above mentioned participants, as well as the Air Force, Marine Corps, and Navy. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (50 percent); El Segundo, California (15 percent); Warton, UK (10 percent); Cameri, Italy (6 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (4 percent); Baltimore, Maryland (4 percent); Orlando, Florida (3 percent); San Diego, California (3 percent); Nagoya, Japan (2 percent); and other international locations (3 percent), and is expected to be completed in December 2020. Funding in the amount of $2,180,872,005 is being obligated on this award, $118,183 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract combines purchases for the Air Force ($21,849,430; 0.6 percent); Navy ($2,213,825; 0.1 percent); Marine Corps ($3,879,316; 0.1 percent); international partner nations ($2,072,714,031; 56.1 percent); and FMS countries ($1,592,405,522; 43.1 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2017/07: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1236797/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $30,000,000 not-to-exceed modification to a previously awarded advance acquisition contract (N00019-16-C-0033) for additional engineering and hardware assembly services in support of the F-35 low-rate initial production Lot 11 aircraft for the government of Japan under the Foreign Military Sales program. Work will be performed in Nagoya, Japan (80 percent); and Baltimore, Maryland (20 percent), and is expected to be completed in December 2018. Foreign military sales funds in the amount of $30,000,000 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2017/08: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1167080/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $10,800,000 modification to a previously awarded advanced acquisition contract (N00019-16-C-0033) for additional hardware modules and racks in support of the F-35 low-rate initial production Lot 11 aircraft for the government of Israel under the Foreign Military Sales program. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (30 percent); El Segundo, California (25 percent); Warton, United Kingdom (20 percent); Orlando, Florida (10 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (5 percent); Nagoya, Japan (5 percent); and Baltimore, Maryland (5 percent), and is expected to be completed in May 2019. Foreign military sales funds in the amount of $500,000 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2017/08: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1284769/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded not-to-exceed $427,088,637 for undefinitized order N0001917F0027 against a previously issued basic ordering agreement (N00019-14-G-0020). This order provides for the procurement of ancillary military equipment and pilot flight equipment for low rate initial production Lot 11 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft for the Air Force, Marine Corps, Navy, non-Department of Defense (DoD) participants and foreign military sales (FMS) customers. Work will be performed in Inglewood, California (60 percent); White Plains, New York (25 percent); St. Petersburg, Florida (5 percent); Orlando, Florida (5 percent); and Fort Worth, Texas (5 percent). Work is expected to be completed in December 2020. Fiscal 2015 aircraft procurement (Air Force and Navy); fiscal 2016 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy); fiscal 2017 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy); non-DoD participants; and FMS funds in the amount of $212,097,843 are being obligated on this award, $13,234,516 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This order combines purchases for Air Force ($152,080,223; 36 percent); Marine Corps ($84,392,523; 20 percent); Navy ($53,091,592; 12 percent); non-DoD participants ($81,671,979; 19 percent); and FMS customers ($55,852,320; 13 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2017/09: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1323750/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded an $11,773,658 cost-plus-fixed-fee modification to a previously awarded F-35 Lightning II low-rate initial production Lot 11 advance acquisition contract (N00019-16-C-0033). This modification authorizes the procurement of diminishing manufacturing sources and material shortages management support for the F-35 air system. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas, and is expected to be completed in June 2018. Fiscal 2015 aircraft procurement (Air Force); fiscal 2017 aircraft procurement (Navy and Marine Corps); and non-Department of Defense participants funds in the amount of $11,773,658 are being obligated on this award, $4,707,579 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This order combines purchases for the Air Force ($4,707,579; 39.98 percent); Navy ($2,353,790; 19.99 percent); Marine Corps ($2,353,790; 19.99 percent); the governments of the United Kingdom ($531,816; 4.52 percent); Turkey ($385,352; 3.27 percent); Italy ($385,352; 3.27 percent); Canada $346,852; 2.95 percent); Australia ($250,543; 2.13 percent); Norway ($200,388; 1.71 percent); the Netherlands ($142,579; 1.21 percent); and Denmark ($115,617; 0.98 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2017/09: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1330165/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded $64,240,000 for firm-fixed-price modification to a previously issued delivery order 0132 placed against basic ordering agreement N00019-14-G-0020. This modification provides for the procurement of initial air vehicle spares in support of the low-rate initial production Lot 11 F-35 Lightning II for the Marine Corps and Navy. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (24.6 percent); El Segundo, California (9 percent); Owego, New York (8.6 percent); Samlesbury, United Kingdom (7.2 percent); Cheltenham, United Kingdom (6.2 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (5.8 percent); Torrance, California (5.5 percent); Orlando, Florida (4.9 percent); Cedar Rapids, Iowa (3.7 percent); San Diego, California (3.6 percent); Phoenix, Arizona (3.1 percent); Melbourne, Florida (3 percent); Irvine, California (2.5 percent); North Amityville, New York (2.4 percent); Baltimore, Maryland (2.2 percent); Windsor Locks, Connecticut (2.2 percent); Papendrect, The Netherlands (1.9 percent); Rolling Meadows, Illinois (1.8 percent); and Alpharetta, Georgia (1.8 percent). Work is expected to be completed in February 2022. Fiscal 2016 and 2017 aircraft procurement (Marine Corps and Navy) funds in the amount of $64,240,000 are being obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This modification combines purchases for the Marine Corps ($39,540,000; 61.6 percent); and the Navy ($24,700,000; 38.4 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2018/05: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1532015/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $558,276,346 cost-plus-incentive-fee, cost-plus-fixed-fee, fixed-price-incentive-firm, firm-fixed-price contract. This contract provides for sustainment support, including equipment, training devices, training facilities, non-aircraft spares, Autonomic Logistics Information System hardware and software, and facilities standup in support of low-rate initial production Lot 11 F-35 Lightning II aircraft in support of the Air Force, Marine Corps, Navy; non-Department of Defense (DoD) participants, and foreign military sales (FMS) customers. Work will be performed in Orlando, Florida (71 percent); Redondo Beach, California (13 percent); Fort Worth, Texas (11 percent); Owego, New York (4 percent); and Samlesbury, United Kingdom (1 percent), and is expected to be completed in February 2023. Fiscal 2016, 2017, and 2018 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Marine Corps, and Navy); non-DoD participant; and FMS funds in the amount of $558,276,346 will be obligated at time of award, $19,550,597 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract combines purchases for the Air Force ($173,171,727; 31 percent); Marine Corps ($62,285,043; 11 percent); Navy ($50,968,348; 9 percent); non-DoD participants ($232,144,112; 42 percent); and FMS customers ($39,707,116; 7 percent). This contract was not competitively procured pursuant to 10 U.S. Code 2304(C)(1). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity (N00019-18-C-1048).
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2018/05: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1536660/

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United Technologies Corp., Pratt & Whitney Military Engines, East Hartford, Connecticut, is awarded $2,016,115,217 for modification P00004 to a previously awarded fixed-price-incentive-firm target, cost-plus-incentive-fee, cost-plus-fixed-fee contract (N00019-17-C-0020) in support of the F-35 Lightning II low-rate initial production Lot 11 aircraft. This modification provides additional funding for production non-recurring/tooling, administrative labor, partner unique items and Lot 11 production propulsion systems to include 10 F135-PW-100 propulsions systems for the Navy; 51 F135-PW-100 propulsion systems for the Air Force; and 24 F135-PW-600 propulsion systems for the Marine Corps. Additionally, this contract procures 49 F135-PW-100 and 1 F135-PW-600 propulsion system for non-U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) participants and foreign military sales (FMS) customers. Work will be performed in East Hartford, Connecticut (67 percent); Indianapolis, Indiana (26.5 percent); and Bristol, United Kingdom (6.5 percent), and is expected to be completed in May 2021. Fiscal 2016 and 2017 aircraft procurement (Marine Corps, Air Force and Navy); and non-U.S. DoD participant and FMS funds in the amount of $2,016,115,217 will be obligated at time of award, $288,147,086 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This modification combines purchases for the Marine Corps ($663,472,076, 33 percent); Air Force ($592,022,963, 29 percent); Navy ($136,042,051, 7 percent); non-U.S. DoD participants ($335,600,247; 17 percent); and FMS customers ($288,977,880; 14 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2018/07: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1589564/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $171,705,115 cost-plus-fixed-fee modification to a previously awarded F-35 Lightning II low rate initial production Lot 11 contract (N00019-16-C-00033). This modification authorizes the procurement of diminishing manufacturing sources redesign activities in support of the F-35 Lightning II air system. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas, and is expected to be completed in January 2024. Fiscal 2016 aircraft procurement (Air Force); fiscal 2018 aircraft procurement (Navy and Marine Corps); and international partner funds in the amount of $171,705,115 are being obligated at time of award, $68,654,573 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This modification combines purchases for the Air Force ($68,654,573; 39.99 percent); Navy ($34,327,287; 19.99 percent); Marine Corps ($34,327,287; 19.99 percent); and international partners ($34,395,968; 20.03 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2018/08: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1617374/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded a $250,438,817 modification to a previously awarded, cost-plus-fixed-fee, firm-fixed-price contract (N00019-16-C-0033). This modification definitizes pricing for F-35 Lightning II low-rate initial production Lot 11 production non-recurring special tooling and special test equipment. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (27.68 percent); El Segundo, California (17.21 percent); Samlesbury, United Kingdom,(14.04 percent); Orlando, Florida (8.86 percent); Nashua, New Hampshire (8.55 percent); San Diego, California (4.42 percent); Baltimore, Maryland (3.31 percent); Marietta, Georgia (2.73 percent); Turin, Italy (1.40 percent); Rochester, United Kingdom (1.38 percent); Cedar Rapids, Iowa (0.70 percent); Rolling Meadows, Illinois (0.64 percent); Palmdale, California (0.63 percent); Papendrecht, Netherlands (0.61 percent); Melbourne, Florida (0.56 percent); East Aurora, New York (0.54 percent); Irvine, California (0.53 percent); Arlington, Texas (0.53 percent); Valencia, California (0.53 percent); British Columbia, Canada, (0.52 percent); Camden, New Jersey (0.39); Garden Grove, California (0.37); Cheltenham, United Kingdom, (0.27); Hauppauge, New York (0.25 percent); Kjeller, Norway (0.23 percent); Grand Rapids, Michigan (0.22 percent); Clearfield, Utah (0.22 percent); St. Charles, Missouri (0.19 percent); Tempe, Arizona (0.17 percent); Williston, Vermont (0.16 percent); Avon, Massachusetts (0.16 percent); Wichita, Kansas (0.16 percent); Inglewood, California (0.13 percent); Sarasota, Florida (0.13 percent); Kongsberg, Norway (0.12 percent); Plano, Texas (0.12 percent); Helena, Montana (0.11 percent); Eskisehir, Turkey (0.11 percent); City of Industry, California (0.10 percent); Montmorency, Australia (0.10 percent); and other locations inside and outside the continental U.S. (0.92 percent), and is expected to be completed in December 2021. Fiscal 2016 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Marine Corps, and Navy); international partner;and foreign military sales funding in the amount of $250,438,817 will be obligated at time of award, $168,038,355 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This modification combines purchase for the Air Force ($86,299,673; 34.46 percent); Marine Corps ($44,887,147; 17.92 percent); Navy ($36,851,534; 14.71 percent); Foreign Military Sales customers ($41,216,398; 16.46 percent); and international partners ($41,184,065; 16.45 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.

United Technologies Corp., Pratt and Whitney Military Engines, East Hartford, Connecticut, is awarded not-to-exceed $118,219,503 for modification P00007 to a previously awarded fixed-price-incentive-firm target, cost-plus-incentive-fee, cost-plus-fixed-fee contract (N00019-17-C-0020). This modification provides for initial spares, including four F135-PW-600 (STOVL) engines for the Marine Corps; one power module and gearbox; four lift fan modules; and eight drive shafts in support of the Marine Corps’ low-rate initial production Lot 11 F-35 Lightning II aircraft. Work will be performed in East Hartford, Connecticut (67 percent); Indianapolis, Indiana (26.5 percent); and Bristol, United Kingdom (6.5 percent), and is expected to be completed in August 2021. Fiscal 2018 aircraft procurement (Navy) funds in the amount of $118,219,503 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2018/08: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1613795/

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United Technologies Corp., Pratt & Whitney Military Engines, East Hartford, Connecticut, is awarded $14,493,011 for modification P00006 to a previously awarded, fixed-price-incentive-firm target, cost-plus-incentive-fee, cost-plus-fixed-fee contract (N00019-17-C-0020). This modification provides for additional special tooling for the Lot 11 F-35 Lightning II F-135 engine, including production non-recurring tooling, which are unique manufacturing components and machines needed for production of the F135 engine, including fixtures, jigs, gauges, molds, dies, cutting equipment and patterns. Work will be performed in East Hartford, Connecticut (67 percent); Indianapolis, Indiana (26.5 percent); and Bristol, United Kingdom (6.5 percent), and is expected to be completed in July 2021. Fiscal 2016 aircraft procurement (Air Force and Marine Corps); fiscal 2017 aircraft procurement (Navy), and non-U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) participant funds in the amount of $14,493,011 will be obligated at time of award, $8,692,328 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This modification combines purchases for the Air Force ($5,794,885, 39.98 percent); Marine Corps ($2,897,443, 19.99 percent); Navy ($2,897,443, 19.99 percent); and non-U.S. DoD participants ($2,903,240; 20.04 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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2018/09: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/1647166/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded $315,773,716 for modification P00004 to a previously awarded fixed-price incentive firm contract (N0001918C1048) to procure support equipment for F-35 Lightning low-rate initial production Lot XI aircraft in support of the Air Force, Marine Corps, Navy, and non-Department of Defense (DoD) participants. Work will be performed in Orlando, Florida (31 percent); Redondo Beach, California (25 percent); Fort Worth, Texas (13 percent); Hartford, Connecticut (12 percent); Melbourne, Australia (8 percent); Rome, Italy (4 percent); Franklin, Ohio (4 percent); and Chatsworth, California (3 percent), and is expected to be completed in September 2023. Fiscal 2016 and 2017 aircraft procurement (Air Force); fiscal 2017 and 2018 aircraft procurement (Navy); fiscal 2018 aircraft procurement (Marine Corps); and non-DoD Participant funds in the amount of $315,773,716 are being obligated at time of award, $29,911,537 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract combines purchases for the Air Force ($108,665,198; 34.41 percent); Navy ($31,062,358; 9.84 percent); Marine Corps ($5,186,434; 1.64 percent); and non-DoD participants ($170,859,726; 54.11 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded $116,311,183 for firm-fixed-price delivery order N0001918F2048 against a previously issued basic ordering agreement (N00019-14-G-0020) for the procurement of 440 low-rate initial production 11 Generation 3 Helmet Mounted Display Systems, oxygen masks, and initial spares in support of the F-35 Lightning II aircraft for the Air Force (180); Navy (60); Marine Corps (69); non-Department of Defense (DoD) participants (119); and Foreign Military Sales (FMS) customers (12). Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas, and is expected to be completed in October 2020. Fiscal 2016 aircraft procurement (Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps); fiscal 2017 aircraft procurement (Air Force and Navy); fiscal 2018 aircraft procurement (Navy and Marine Corps); non-DoD participant, and FMS funds in the amount of $116,311,183 are being obligated at time of award, $70,826,314 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract combines purchases for the Air Force ($47,120,086; 40.5 percent); Navy ($15,711,725; 13.5 percent); Marine Corps ($18,944,511; 16.3 percent); non-DoD participant ($31,599,088; 27.2 percent); and FMS customers ($2,935,773; 2.5 percent). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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Como se ve, los contratos están muy troceados, y la media prometida por LM al sumar todo no sale. Sin contar los contratos de mantenimiento y equipo de soporte, el montante final sale a más de $105 millones la unidad.

Por cierto, las estimaciones más bajas (FY2024) hechas en el presupuesto de la USAF están en $88,223 "Flyaway Unit Cost".

[Chema]

El tema del coste del F35 es muy atractivo, ya lo comentabamos en este mismo hilo en Feb de 2017 y sigue igual, nadie sabe lo que CUESTA porque se esta haciendo lo que yo dije en esa epoca. Es muy facil bajar el precio de venta y luego vender modificaciones y actualizaciones.
¿En algun sitio esta lo que han costado los 350 aviones fabricados hasta ahora, o es que todavia siguen ocultando los numeros?.

Pero desde luego llena paginas .

[champi]

En el presupuesto de la USAF: https://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/Portals/84/ ... 152821-713

[KINTA]

Vendiendo tantos F35, normal que se quieran comprar Groenlandia

[Chema]

Esos numeros son una buena referencia, pero por ejemplo no estan sumados los 230.000 millones en actualizaciones en el presupuesto de este año, ni otras partidas a lo largo de años.
Pero es que estos numeros son USA , no los de otros compradores

[Milites]

El tema del coste del F35 es muy atractivo, ya lo comentabamos en este mismo hilo en Feb de 2017 y sigue igual, nadie sabe lo que CUESTA porque se esta haciendo lo que yo dije en esa epoca. Es muy facil bajar el precio de venta y luego vender modificaciones y actualizaciones.
¿En algun sitio esta lo que han costado los 350 aviones fabricados hasta ahora, o es que todavia siguen ocultando los numeros?.

Pero desde luego llena paginas .

Realmente, no se sabe.

Están haciendo, a mi entender, lo que bien conocemos en España con la obra pública. Se le concede a quien interesa, contratando el mejor precio, o casi el mejor (que puede ser, objetivamente, real, pero no completo) y luego con las carencias del proyecto se mete la clavada (modificados, complementarios, etc,...). Primero me contratas, y luego zas.

Ya lo twiteo Trump al poco de ser presidente: esta fuera de control. Así que hay una ofensiva comercial con el fin de ganar contratos y pillar dinero. Política y de relaciones públicas. Política con gira asiática a los feudo-aero-estados, creando necesidades como Holanda y Dinamarca (quién pensaba en Groenlandia?), machacando como a Alemania (tema nuclear, que luego hemos sabido que ni el F35 esta certificado). Y de relaciones publicas: primer vuelo con el AIM 9, primera mujer piloto (hace unos días), primera vez en Izumo, primera patrulla, primera acción ofensiva (parece un hijo primogénito). Si casi tienen un escuadrón de lo Marines para ello. Publicamos unos precios, que dejamos claro no tienen valor contractual.

Si se busca en los 4 tomos a 700 pag cada uno, de donde sale la tabla de Champi, veremos por ejemplo que para 2020 hay 1.200 M para adaptar al C2D2 o bloq 4 o algo así, no hay manera de aclararse, 700 M de ellos a la USAF.

[Roberto Montesa]

Había leído y mantienen en diferentes medios, que el F-35 no tenia capacidad de supercrucero. ¿...?

Un saludo

Nunca lo ha tenido ni era un requisito del programa JSF

[Orel]

Muy interesante, Champi, Pathfinder y Milites.

Sobre el coste, Champi ha puesto numerosas fuentes. No me extiendo, pero no suele incluir el precio de los motores.
Y de los casi 500 F-35 actualmente fabricados, tampoco incluye -como ha dicho Chema- el coste de los "parches" debidos al desarrollo en "concurrency", que son mucho dinero.
Y como ha dicho, si los precios que vemos son para EEUU, ¿los de exportación reales?

En consecuencia, para disputar a China y Rusia , EEUU necesita más F-35 y sustituir lo más rápido posible sus ya avejentados aviones de cuarta generación.

Vorlon, lo primero sí, así lo dejan claro. Pero lo segundo no, igualmente dejan claro que para mantener "masa de combate" necesitan mantener muchos cuartas actualizados. De ahí que la USNavy siga comprando SuperHornet nuevos, que van a vivir tanto como el F-35C, y de ahí que la USAF esté en dos programas para alargar muchísimo la vida de casi 1.000 F-16 y varios cientos de F-15C/E.
Debido al alto coste operativo de la quinta generación, incluso las todopoderosas USAF y USNavy no paran de repetir la enorme importancia que tendrá el trabajo conjunto entre cuartas y quintas, y por ello se entrenan y tienen varios programas para conectarlos en red entre sí.

el F-22 no fue exportable, porque de un inicio no se pensó en exportar esa tecnología, primero porque iba a ser muy caro... y segundo porque al ser una tecnología novedosa querían disfrutarla de inicio en exclusiva como es lógico... no se diseñó con la mente puesta en su exportación que requiere de un diseño diferente para evitar la tecnología inversa.
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Con respecto al F-35 fue todo lo contrario, un avión exportable desde un inicio, luego su diseño ya es de exportación y cuenta con tecnología que evite en lo posible la realización de tecnología inversa.

Hola Pathfinder La principal razón de la no exportación del F-22 ha sido su exclusividad por sus enormes capacidades, especialmente las furtivas. El F-35 al hacerlo exportable lo limitó en varias cuestiones, además de evitar tecnología inversa, que lo hacen menos excepcional en ciertas capacidades, incluida lógicamente la furtividad. En aspectos como multisensorialidad, guerra en red, fusión de sensores, el F-35 es más capaz, pero en cuanto a prestaciones, agilidad, radar, furtividad... el F-22 sigue siendo "top".
Y además de exportable, el F-35 se requirió para ser asequible, lo que implicó ser menos furtivo dado que a mayor "stealth", mayor coste.

y luego el F-35 es capaz de mantener supercrucero sin el uso de afterburner durante más de 200 millas náuticas.

Como ya han dicho compañeros como Roberto Montesa, el F-35 no ha demostrado ser supercruceador en operación normal. No hablamos de unas pruebas puntuales, si no en el día a día operativo. Actualmente sólo hay dos occidentales: F-22 y Eurofighter. Y parece que uno ruso: el Su-35S. El Su-57 se supone que lo será con sus motores finales, y del J-20 chino mucho secretismo para afirmar.
El F-35 no se requirió con grandes prestaciones ni agilidad por dos sencillas razones:
- polivalente pero su misión principal de diseño era la de ataque, no la de superioridad aérea,
- y además se diseñó para ser asequible, lo que chocaba de frente con grandes prestaciones y agilidad.

Y luego está el hecho de que si hay un avión creado desde un inicio para la lucha en el espectro infrarojo es el F-35. Por cuanto a sensores (DAS-360 º) y por cuanto a materiales y diseño.

Totalmente de acuerdo. Y por ello tiene cosas como las que has dicho, y refrigerar su superficie y sistemas circulando el combustible por ellos de paso precalentándolo antes de entrar al motor, etc. Pero sin olvidar dos cosas importantes:
- el F-22 tiene un sector trasero más preparado para reducir el IR que el gordito. Porque el F-35 no se requería tan furtivo, ya que se requería que fuese asequible y exportable, lo que choca de frente con ser muy furtivo.
- el F-22 sí es supercruceador así que "gana" en firma IR en cuanto se use postcombustión en combate, que es siempre en AA e idealmente todo lo posible en AS. P.ej. en sus misiones de ataque en Siria, los F-22 volaron tramos en supercrucero con las bombas dentro. Quien pueda hacer eso, genial.

Y como aclaración final, Pathfinder, por si no me conocieras bien del foro jeje, el F-35 me parece que será un gran avión, dado que EEUU no tiene alternativa y está volcando en él toda su inversión y su I+D+i, que son los más potentes y avanzados del Planeta. Y su capacidad electrónica de fusión, guerra electrónica, guerra en red, sumados a su furtividad... son la "caña". Simplemente estamos charlando de cuestiones puntuales. No poniendo mal a uno ni a otro, ni estando a favor ni en contra.

Un saludo

[champi]

Último contrato para repuestos: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... /1943009//

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded $2,426,326,544 for modification P00002 to previously awarded firm-fixed-price, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract N00019-19-D-0015 F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter initial spares for the Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, non-U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) participants, and Foreign Military Sales (FMS) customers. Spares to be procured include global spares packages, base spares packages, deployment spares packages, afloat spares packages and associated consumables. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (24.4%); El Segundo, California (9.1%); Owego, New York (8.6%); Samlesbury, United Kingdom (7.2%); Cheltenham, United Kingdom (6.2%); Nashua, New Hampshire (5.8%); Torrance, California (5.5%); Orlando, Florida (4.9%); Cedar Rapids, Iowa (3.7%); San Diego, California (3.6%); Phoenix, Arizona (3.1%); Melbourne, Florida (3.1%); Irvine, California (2.5%); North Amityville, New York (2.4%); Windsor Locks, Connecticut (2.2%); Baltimore, Maryland (2.2%); Papendrect, The Netherlands (1.9%); Rolling Meadows, Illinois (1.8%); and Alpharetta, Georgia (1.8%). All orders are expected to be placed no later than December 2020. No funds will be obligated at time of award, funds will be obligated on individual delivery orders as they are issued. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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Teniendo en cuenta que se han entregado unos 400, toca a $6 millones por avión.


Interesante relato de un fallo en vuelo del IPP ("Integrated Power Package"): https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Dis ... salt-lake/