F-35 Lightning II

[champi]

Ayer se publicaron varios contratos importantes (25/9/2021): https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/ ... e/2788736/

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded a $1,099,631,252 modification (P00008) to a previously awarded fixed-price incentive (firm target) advance acquisition contract (N0001920C0009). This modification exercises options for the production and delivery of 16, Lot 15 F-35 Lightning II aircraft: 10 for the Air Force and six for the Marine Corps. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (57%); El Segundo, California (14%); Warton, United Kingdom (9%); Cameri, Italy (4%); Orlando, Florida (4%); Nashua, New Hampshire (3%); Baltimore, Maryland (3%); San Diego, California (2%); Nagoya, Japan (2%); and various locations outside the continental U.S. (2%), and is expected to be completed in May 2026. Fiscal 2021 aircraft procurement (Navy) funds in the amount of $439,938,432; and fiscal 2021 aircraft procurement (Air Force) funds in the amount of $659,692,820 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.

Raytheon Technologies Corp., Pratt and Whitney Military Engines, East Hartford, Connecticut, is awarded a $258,549,739 cost-plus-incentive-fee contract. This contract procures non-recurring sustainment support, material and support equipment for depot maintenance facilities as well as supplies, services, and planning for depot activations in support of F-35 aircraft sustainment efforts for the Air Force, Marine Corps, Navy, non-U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) participants, and Foreign Military Sales (FMS) customers. Work will be performed in East Hartford, Connecticut (30.5%); Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (22.2%); Cherry Point, North Carolina (13.5%); Jacksonville, Florida (7.3%); West Palm Beach, Florida (5.8%); Windsor Locks, Connecticut (3.7%); Indianapolis, Indiana (3.0%); Willliamtown, New South Wales, Australia (2.9%); Iwakuni, Japan (2%); Foggia, Italy (1.6%); Patuxent River, Maryland (1.4%); Edwards Air Force Base, California (1.4%); Luke AFB, Arizona (1.2%); Brekstad, Norway (1.2%); Leeuwarden, Netherlands (1.1%); Tyndall AFB, Florida (1%) and Brandon, United Kingdom (0.2%), and is expected to be completed in September 2024. Fiscal 2021 aircraft procurement (Air Force) funds in the amount of $59,122,942; fiscal 2021 aircraft procurement (Navy) funds in the amount of $34,565,557; fiscal 2019 aircraft procurement (Navy) funds in the amount of $68,216,532; fiscal 2019 aircraft procurement (Air Force) funds in the amount $53,749,632; non-U.S. DOD participant funds in the amount of $31,048,632; and FMS funds in the amount of $11,846,444 will be obligated at time of award, $121,966,532 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was not competitively procured pursuant to 10 U.S. Code 2304(c)(1). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity (N0001921C0068).

Lockheed Martin Corp., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded a $106,435,051 cost-plus-fixed-fee, cost-plus-incentive-fee modification (P00010) to a previously awarded contract (N0001920C0032). This modification adds scope to procure non-recurring sustainment and maturation engineering support for the F-35 program. Specifically, this modification provides joint technical data, prognostic health management, software sustainment depot and aircraft structural integrity support for Air Force, Marine Corps, Navy, non-U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) participants and Foreign Military Sales (FMS) customers. Work will be performed in Farnborough, United Kingdom (80%); and Fort Worth, Texas (20%), and is expected to be completed in September 2023. Fiscal 2021 aircraft procurement (Air Force) funds in the amount of $55,626,460; fiscal 2021 aircraft procurement (Navy) funds in the amount of $32,080,067; non-U.S. DOD participant funds in the amount of $13,640,585; and FMS funds in the amount of $5,087,939 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.

Lockheed Martin Corp., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded a $56,893,635 firm-fixed-price modification (P00062) to a previously awarded contract (N0001917C0001). This modification adds scope to provide non-recurring engineering and engineering change order support to advance the F-35 program’s efforts to adopt a single label approach in support of Item Unique Identification compliancy and traceability for the Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (52%); Redondo Beach, California (12%); Orlando, Florida (9%); Cedar Rapids, Iowa (2%); and various locations within the continental U.S. (25%), and is expected to be completed in August 2024. Fiscal 2020 aircraft procurement (Air Force) funds in the amount of $29,906,686; and fiscal 2019 aircraft procurement (Navy) funds in the amount of $26,986,949 will be obligated at time of award, $26,986,949 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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Chemring Australia Pty Ltd., Lara, Victoria, Australia, is awarded a $21,983,931 firm-fixed-price contract to procure 10,089 MJU-68/B flare infrared countermeasures; 4,628 for the Navy, 1,440 for the Air Force, 685 for the government of Israel, 312 for the government of Netherlands, 504 for the government of Norway, and 2,520 for the government of Great Britain in support of the F-35 Lightning II program. Work will be performed in Lara, Victoria, Australia (47%); San Diego, California (28%); Toone, Tennessee (24%); and Braeside, Victoria, Australia (1%), and is expected to be completed in July 2022. Fiscal 2021 procurement of ammunition (Navy and Marine Corps) funds in the amount of $10,075,696; fiscal 2021 aircraft procurement (Air Force) funds in the amount $3,137,760; fiscal 2019 procurement of ammunition (Navy and Marine Corps) funds in the amount of $8,716; and Foreign Military Sales funds in the amount of $8,761,759 will be obligated at time of award, $8,716 of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was not competitively procured pursuant to 10 U.S. Code 2304(c)(1). The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity (N0001921C0081).
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[Milites]

Israel Wants To Put New Equipment Inside The F-35: Exclusive Q&A With Top Officer
The goal, said Brig. Gen. Nir Barkan, Israeli Air Force Chief of the Air Staff and Vice Commander of the IAF, is to add Israeli-made gear inside the F-35.
https://breakingdefense.com/2021/09/isr ... p-officer/

TEL AVIV: Israel’s air force has asked the US to allow greater access to the core avionics of the F-35 joint strike fighters, with the goal of installing new Israeli-developed systems onto the stealth fighter, according to a top Israeli officer.

“The effort is to find the right balance between the US restrictions and the Israeli operational demands,” Brig. Gen. Nir Barkan, Israeli Air Force Chief of the Air Staff and the number two officer for the IAF, said in an exclusive interview with Breaking Defense.
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Asked to respond to Barkan’s comments, Brandi Schiff, a spokesperson for the F-35 joint program office, said “The F-35 JPO will continue to meet all of Israeli sovereign requirements within the United States Government’s security and release policy, and will strive to balance U.S. restrictions with Israel’s requests.”

Estos también tienen sus condiciones

“The effort is to find the right balance between the US restrictions and the Israeli operational demands,”

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[Orel]

Israel Wants To Put New Equipment Inside The F-35
...“The effort is to find the right balance between the US restrictions and the Israeli operational demands,”
...“The F-35 JPO will continue to... strive to balance U.S. restrictions with Israel’s requests.”

Estos también tienen sus condiciones

Por supuesto.

[Pathfinder]

3 nuevos F-35I para Israel. Han hecho parada en España en su camino.
https://twitter.com/AviKaner/status/1442205920931557383


El año que viene se espera entregar por parte de Lockheed >150 uds. A día de hoy ya han sido entregadas unas 700 uds de las 3 versiones en total a los distintos clientes.

[14yellow14]

Parece que 156 aparatos va a ser la producción anual definitiva (vs 170 en el plan anterior).

F-35 Production Set at 156 Per Year Until Completion

Lockheed Martin and the F-35 Joint Program Office have agreed that F-35 production will peak at 156 planes per year in 2023 and remain at that level “for the foreseeable future.”

The JPO and Lockheed have agreed to a “rebaselining” of the program, that “ensures predictability and stability in the production process” of the F-35, the company said in a press release.

Lockheed will deliver “133-139 aircraft this year [calendar 2021], 151-153 aircraft in 2022, and anticipates delivering 156 aircraft beginning in 2023 and for the foreseeable future,” it announced. The company did not say how many of each variant will be delivered. Defense officials have said the pre-pandemic goal was to achieve deliveries of 155 airplanes a year by the end of 2022.

Read more https://airforcemag.com/f-35-production ... ompletion/

[Pathfinder]

Suiza. Pregunta sobre la adquisición del F-35 y sus costos en el parlamento por parte del partido verde, y la respuesta dada. Por lo que se ve un periódico informó que a los costos del F-35 le faltaba la inflación correspondiente. Piriodistas.

https://www.parlament.ch/de/ratsbetrieb ... d=20217884

Pregunta:

Los 5.068 millones ofrecidos por los 36 aviones de combate F-35 no se ajustan a la inflación. Según el Tages-Anzeiger del 21 de septiembre de 2021, los fabricantes de aviones de combate también tenían que ofrecer precios ajustados a la inflación.

- ¿Cuál es el precio de oferta ajustado por inflación para el F-35?

- ¿El F-35 cae por debajo de sus competidores en mil millones incluso cuando se trata de ofertas ajustadas a la inflación?

Respuesta:

Los costos de adquisición del F-35A en el momento de las ofertas el 11 de febrero de 2021 ascienden a 5.068 millones de francos suizos y, por lo tanto, están dentro del costo presupuestado de la decisión de planificación. Entendemos que la primera pregunta significa que el precio se pide con la tasa de inflación agregada. Los costos totales, que consisten en los costos de adquisición y operación, ascienden a alrededor de 15.5 mil millones de francos suizos para el F-35A durante 30 años, incluida la inflación. La diferencia con el segundo candidato más barato está en el rango de 2 mil millones de francos suizos y no de mil millones de francos suizos, como se indica en la pregunta.

[champi]

Un pequeño apunte. El F-35, al ritmo que vuelan los suizos actualmente, les deberían durar mucho más de esos 30 años. Por ejemplo, en 2016 calculaban que sus F/A-18 alcanzarían las 5.000 horas en 2025, lo que da algo menos de 200 h/año por avión: https://theaviationgeekclub.com/swiss-a ... ght-hours/

Teniendo en cuenta que un F-35 está planeado para las 8.000h, estos deberían durarles 40 años.

Respecto al precio del Gripen, quizás su sobrecoste en este concurso se deba en parte a que ofertaron unas contraprestaciones industriales por encima de los requisitos (100% vs 60%): https://soff.se/en/medlemsnyhet/saab-of ... itzerland/

Esto es lo que ofrecía en un principio LM: https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... lane-race/

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While Switzerland would be able to purchase parts through the spares pool shared by all F-35 operators, the offer also contains a six-month deployed spares package — a separate pot of parts that would be managed by the Swiss government, which was necessary to meet Swiss autonomy requirements.

To meet requirements for industrial participation, Switzerland would have the opportunity to domestically produce about 400 canopies and transparencies for F-35 aircraft, and Lockheed would establish a European hub for the maintenance, repair and overhaul of F 35 canopies and transparencies in Switzerland. In addition, the country would take on certain F-35 engine and airframe sustainment projects focused on maintaining the Swiss Air Force’s operational autonomy, Kelley said.

Lockheed also plans to partner with Swiss industry to create a cyber center of excellence, which would prototype a unique data network for Switzerland and build a test bed that would allow Swiss companies to test cyber capabilities in a secure environment.

On top of those efforts, Lockheed is offering one last industrial participation opportunity to Switzerland. For an additional cost, Switzerland will be able to conduct the final assembly of four F-35 aircraft at existing RUAG facilities in Emmen, allowing the Swiss technicians that currently work on the country’s aging Hornet fleet to build a deeper knowledge of the aircraft’s design.

That option would add a “significant cost” to the total program, Kelley said, but could allow for overall savings throughout the life cycle of the program.
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Parece que cuadra bastante con ese 60%, en el que un 20% eran contraprestaciones directas (las 400 carlingas) y el 40% indirectas (el centro de ciberseguridad, por ejemplo). Lo del montaje opcional de cuatro unidades me parece poco menos que tirar con el dinero...

Más contratos (27/9/2021): https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/ ... e/2790164/

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Pacific Scientific Energetic Materials Co., Hollister, California, has been awarded a $37,000,000 ceiling, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract for F-35 production and sustainment. This contract provides for F-35 government-furnished material for production and replenishment spares. Work will be performed in Hollister, California, and is expected to be completed by Jan. 31, 2025. This award is the result of a sole-source acquisition. Fiscal 2021 procurement funds ($3,499,722); Navy funds ($738,457); Marine Corps funds ($1,077,955); Foreign Military Sales funds ($1,070,253); and partner nations funds ($1,994,449) totaling $8,380,836 are being obligated at the time of award. Air Force Life Cycle Management Center, Munitions Contracting Branch, Hill Air Force Base, Utah, is the contracting activity (FA8213-21-D-0006).
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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is awarded a $48,277,913 firm-fixed-price order (N0001921F0398) against a previously issued basic ordering agreement (N0001919G0008). This order procures ancillary mission equipment in support of Lot 15 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter production aircraft for the Navy and Marine Corps. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas, and is expected to be completed in December 2024. Fiscal 2019 aircraft procurement (Navy) funds in the amount of $48,277,913 will be obligated on this award, all of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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[Pathfinder]

Un pequeño apunte. El F-35, al ritmo que vuelan los suizos actualmente, les deberían durar mucho más de esos 30 años. Por ejemplo, en 2016 calculaban que sus F/A-18 alcanzarían las 5.000 horas en 2025, lo que da algo menos de 200 h/año por avión: https://theaviationgeekclub.com/swiss-a ... ght-hours/

Teniendo en cuenta que un F-35 está planeado para las 8.000h, estos deberían durarles 40 años.

Respecto al precio del Gripen, quizás su sobrecoste en este concurso se deba en parte a que ofertaron unas contraprestaciones industriales por encima de los requisitos (100% vs 60%): https://soff.se/en/medlemsnyhet/saab-of ... itzerland/

Esto es lo que ofrecía en un principio LM: https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... lane-race/

No creo, eso lo vemos entre las cifras dadas para el F-16 por Janes y las reales dadas por la USAF, dónde casi se triplican llegando a los 25.000 dólares/hora. Simplemente no tienen en cuenta todos los costes a lo largo de la vida del avión, hay muchas maneras de dar las cifras y no estar necesariamente mintiendo pero tampoco diciendo toda la verdad por parte de las compañías. Incluso no todos los países computan el coste/hora de la misma manera, ni todos los servicios de un mismo país (USAF, Navy, Marines..). Los concursos son la prueba del algodón,dónde se usa la misma vara de medir para todos.

[Orel]

3 nuevos F-35I para Israel. Han hecho parada en España en su camino.

Podíamos birlarles alguno, seguro que no se dan cuenta. Entretenemos a los pilotos tomando unas cañas y unos pinchos

Los costos de adquisición del F-35A en el momento de las ofertas el 11 de febrero de 2021 ascienden a 5.068 millones de francos suizos... Los costos totales, que consisten en los costos de adquisición y operación, ascienden a alrededor de 15.5 mil millones de francos suizos para el F-35A durante 30 años, incluida la inflación. La diferencia con el segundo candidato más barato está en el rango de 2 mil millones de francos suizos

Una duda, ¿han contado con el coste operativo real hoy o con el que Lockheed espera lograr reducir dentro de unos años? Gracias. Lo digo porque los demás candidatos inferiores técnicamente pero maduros sí dieron sus costes reales.

Saludos

[14yellow14]

Haciendo cálculos rápidos a Suiza les sale así el coste de operación del F-35A:

Swiss F-35A procurement cost: CHF 5.07B ($5.48B)
Average F-35A unit cost: $152M
Swiss F-35A sustainment cost (30yr): CHF 10.4B ($11.3B)
Average F-35A cost per tail per year: CHF 9.7M ($10.4M)
Total cost: CHF 15.5B ($16.8B)

https://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1 ... 7886422016

Que es más que lo que le cuesta a la USAF hoy y mucho más del famoso coste proyectado (que al final es orientativo porque Suiza no es EEUU ni tiene sus economias de escala, etc).




Más bien en el caso del F-35 tenemos los datos más auditados y fiables de todas las plataformas

[Orel]

Gracias 14yellow, todo eso lo tenía y la oferta se la tienen que haber hecho adaptada a su realidad, me refería a si en algún momento han citado que dicha proyección de coste sea en base al actual conocido o al coste futuro esperable. Es una frase pero importante.

Saludos

[14yellow14]

Solo han dicho lo que estiman que les va a costar operarlos esos 30 años, que es menos que el resto de plataformas ofertadas y el coste por aparato resultante es bastante coherente con el coste del F-35A hoy. Cómo han hecho las cuentas, salvo que lo filtren, no lo sabemos.

[Orel]

Eso me parecía, 14yellow, no han afirmado nada al respecto, así que no sabemos qué cifras han usado, si actuales o futuribles. Nos quedaremos con la duda

Parece que 156 aparatos va a ser la producción anual definitiva (vs 170 en el plan anterior)...

Dejan claro que, al menos de momento, no es una reducción del pedido. Llegaron a decir 180: "At Lockheed’s most-optimistic moment – in January 2020, one month before the pandemic began to hit the USA – the company predicted it would produce 140 aircraft in 2020, about 160 jets in 2021, 165 in 2022 and then as many as 180 aircraft annually in the years following. https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing ... 46.article

Saludos

[14yellow14]

[Milites]

Ahora en Suiza esta pasando el trámite parlamentario y un debate público por la forma de cálculo del coste. Ha habido preguntas a armeesuisse y a la consejera y esta siendo agrio. Por otro lado ya ha empezado la campaña de firmas para el referéndum.

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