Moderadores: Lepanto, poliorcetes, Edu, Orel
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Thus, for the company’s planned late autumn deployment to the Middle East, it is understood that eight Spanish and Italian Air Force Eurofighter Typhoons (including two spares) and about 20 Spanish and Italian pilots will be used, though ECA have resolutely refused to confirm the source of its aircraft.
Complex negotiations between the Spanish treasury, air force and materials directorate and with the Italian MoD and air force had not been concluded at the time of writing, but it is thought that agreement to use the Typhoons had been reached in most areas.
The selection of pilots with a minimum ‘qualification’ of 1,400 hours – graduates of the tactical leadership programme (TLP) or Fighter Weapons School, and qualified as four-ship flight leaders – has reportedly been concluded, and visas were being finalised for all personnel.
It is planned that five of the six aircraft will each fly two 70-minute sorties per day, five days per week, for the six-week deployment. Spain and Italy will not cede control of the aircraft, so the arrangement cannot accurately be termed as a ‘lease’. Such detailed planning, however, suggests that this is a deal that is ‘done’, if not yet ‘dusted.’
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The CEO believes that the Typhoon is an ideal OPFOR aircraft, offering sufficient airframe and sensor performance to be able to simulate anthreat, with any sensitive national data protected through the use of a dedicated OPFOR software drop, incorporating ECA’s own proprietary mission data, and allowing the aircraft to use ‘red air’ tactics like distributed jamming and SAM control.
In ten Cate’s vision, an adversary Typhoon “walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, but is actually a goose” and he is enthusiastic about an informal Eurofighter GmbH suggestion that the aircraft should use a new name – Tempest – to reflect this!
In the longer term, ten Cate’s dream is for ECA to operate surplus tranche 1 Eurofighters, obviating the need to sell them off cheaply to nations like Argentina or Bulgaria, perhaps even buying some aircraft in the 2018-2019 timeframe.
An active electronically scanned array (AESA) conversion might be funded, as this would allow for the easier replication of threat radars. By then, ten Cate hopes, ECA will have “built credibility”, perhaps sufficiently for the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and the relevant national aviation authority to allow the company to operate its own fast jets under a ‘military derogation’.
Even without procuring its own aircraft, ECA envisages being able to deploy larger IOPFOR force elements in future, with as many as 14 Eurofighter Typhoons operating as part of a wider and larger threat network, perhaps doing so as early as 2015.
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ECA already has a letter of agreement to integrate IOPFOR elements into NATO’s TLP, though the contract has yet to take effect. NATO sources say the agreement covers four classes annually (with provision for a subsequent ramp up in the number of classes per year, if sufficient added value is demonstrated), but that OPFOR elements had only been partially defined.
ECA will base its assets at the Ciudad Real Central Airport, near Madrid, Spain, which closed in April 2012 after going bust, and which the company has a bid in to purchase.
Ciudad Real Central Airport has a 4,000 metre runway and is located about 200km west of Albacete, the home of TLP, and is separated from the main base by a desert, which would be an ideal location for an electronic warfare range, which ECA sees as vital if TLP is to be transformed into the European Red Flag. The airport has good facilities and could easily accommodate a cyber warfare facility, networked simulators and other IOPFOR infrastructure.
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champi escribió:Respecto a los CFTs, son de quita y pon pero presumiblemente no será fácil. En la revista del Rafale se nos decía que quitar o poner cada uno del modelo francés llevaba dos horas...
Italian Eurofighter Typhoons ready to take over lead role in NATO Baltic Air Policy
Dec 17 2014
Four Italian Air Force Typhoons will provide Baltic Air Policing duties from Siauliai airbase, Lithuania. Beginning on Jan. 1, 2015, the Italy will take over the role of lead nation in the NATO Baltic Air Policing (BAP)... they will relieve the four Portuguese F-16s at their second rotation at the eastern border of NATO.
Currently committed to the operation are also four CF-188s of the Royal Canadian Air Force, as well as German Air Force Eurofighters out of Ämari, Estonia, and Royal Netherlands Air Force F-16s out of Malbork, Poland that will replaced by Polish MiG-29s and Spanish Eurofighters scheduled to deploy to Šiauliai, Lithuania, and Ämari, Estonia, respectively.
http://theaviationist.com/2014/12/17/it ... hoons-bap/
Orel escribió:Interesante, champi.
Las seis semanas son para ejercer de fuerza opositora en beneficio de Jordania, Arabia Saudí, EAU y Baréin (potencial cliente).
Yo lo veo bien dado el muy bajo presupuesto. Ellos pagan, nuestros pilotos vuelan más y ECA ofrece una OPFOR muy potente.
Y si de verdad llegase a montar un polígono de entrenamiento electrónico entre Ciudad Real y Albacete, genial.
No me queda claro a qué se refiere ECA con que le gustaría "operar" en un futuro los posibles T1 sobrantes de los socios, evitando tener que venderlos de segunda mano baratos. ¿Se refiere a que los comprarían o, como en este caso, a que pagarían a las FAS para que los operasen para ellos? Pero siendo cazas y pilotos de sus respectivos Ejércitos. Si es esto último también me parecería bien.
* Orel ¿Puedes añadir algunos datos más?
Y si por un lado la Navy lo adquirió, también está al lado el ejemplo negativo de los Marines que lo rechazaron prefiriendo quedar a la espera del F-35. Que es algo que suele olvidarse a conveniencia del nada exitoso Rhino (el "Caza de los Foros", jeje). Ah, y esa falta de éxito no es porque sea producto de Boeing en lugar de Lockheed, porque desde hace al menos 15 años que ofrecen el SH sin éxito, mientras que el Eagle no ha dejado de tenerlo.
Sobre EEUU, dejó de producir el F-22 para dar más fondos al JSF, pero hay que añadir porqué: el Raptor les salió carísimo y para su desgracia el F-35, el caza que tenía que ser "affordable" (asequible), también, así que se vieron obligados a cancelar la producción del primero. Ése fue el problema: los dos programas, incluso el de caza asequible, con un gran sobrecoste.
De todos los cazas desarrollados en Occidente en los últimos años, es el único que no ha sufrido grandes retrasos o sobrecostes.
Y por si despistados, no es lo mismo ni de lejos la influencia mundial exportadora de EEUU que la de cualquier país europeo. Vamos, lo normal es que lo que fabrica EEUU como exportarble se venda más que lo europeo. Y estos 15 años que el mundo ha seguido pidiendo F-16 y F-15, ahí estaba también el Rhino, sin interesar. Por algo será... salvo para foristas, que alegarán injusticia divina supongo. Ay, el "Caza de los Foros"...
Los cazas de la US Navy casi nunca se han exportado como los de la US Air Force. El F-18C/D, que te parece un éxito, también ha sido exportado mucho menos.
Además, las pocas exportaciones no han sido a base de colocar aviones firmados y que nadie quiere, como el EF-2000.
Baltic air policing mission in Estonia to continue through 2015
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The four-month Spanish Typhoon stationing will be followed by one from the UK, and then another from Germany, taking the BAP QRA capability at Amari up to the end of 2015 with “extensive Eurofighter operations”.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... gh-407252/
champi escribió:
Gasto global aproximado de €21.100 millones para 96 unidades.
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