EF-2000 EFA Eurofighter Typhoon

[Günter Prien]

Call to remodel Eurofighter alliance

The four-nation industrial partnership that builds the Eurofighter Typhoon is not "fit for purpose" in providing crucial support for the aircraft and needs to be restructured, according to the government.

The Ministry of Defence has become frustrated by slow progress in negotiating with international partners over important upgrades to Europe's next generation fighter jet, which has been beset by huge cost overruns and long delays.

The Eurofighter is built by a consortium of defence manufacturers, made up of EADS, the Franco-German group, BAE Systems of the UK and Italy's Finmeccanica. It is the highest profile example of European co-operation on weapons procurement, with Britain, Germany, Spain and Italy all buying large numbers of the aircraft, which cost about £65m each.

Lord Drayson, the minister in charge of the £16bn-a-year military equipment budget, said on Thursday: "We need a reform of the four-nation partnership. This arrangement is not working as well as it should."

He added: "The structure for support is not fit forpurpose."

The minister insisted that he was extremely happy with the performance of the Typhoon, which is well-liked by air force pilots. However, the government wants to modify the aircraft to make it capable of ground attacks, crucial in combat zones such as Afghanistan, and feels that progress towards this has been tortuous. It is also concerned about the high price of spares.

The depth of the MoD's unhappiness emerged on Thursday after a report from the National Audit Office un-veiled a year-long delay in developing the Meteor air-to-air missile, which will be used on the Typhoon.

Sir Peter Spencer, head of the MoD's procurement organisation, blamed the delay on the refusal of the Eurofighter consortium to provide aircraft to test the missiles at an affordable price.

"We were not prepared to accept the price," Sir Peter said. "We are going to turn this charity into a business."

The MoD will instead test the Meteor missiles on France's Rafale fighter jet and Sweden's Gripen.

Officials from the Eurofighter consortium were unavailable for comment.

A total of 384 fighters are being built for the four partner air forces, 144 of them for the RAF.

However, a decision on whether to build another 236 aircraft, as specified in the original agreement between the four countries, is in doubt.

The latest comments from the UK, the biggest customer for the jets, will add to doubts over the order, known as Tranche 3.

The NAO report is a yearly review of the MoD's performance on its 20biggest weapons projects, which has been abject in the past.

The cost of the 20 projects is running at £27bn, or 11 per cent higher than forecast. Tim Banfield, the report's author, said on Thursday that there had been "tentative signs of improvement", though these needed to be sustained.

In the 2005-06 financial year, the MoD reduced the deficit by £781m, though much of this was attributable to shifting costs to another part of the MoD budget.

The MoD has also improved its performance on delivering its biggest projects on time in the past financial year.

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[Andrea Doria]

Call to remodel Eurofighter alliance

The four-nation industrial partnership that builds the Eurofighter Typhoon is not "fit for purpose" in providing crucial support for the aircraft and needs to be restructured, according to the government.

The Ministry of Defence has become frustrated by slow progress in negotiating with international partners over important upgrades to Europe's next generation fighter jet, which has been beset by huge cost overruns and long delays.

The Eurofighter is built by a consortium of defence manufacturers, made up of EADS, the Franco-German group, BAE Systems of the UK and Italy's Finmeccanica. It is the highest profile example of European co-operation on weapons procurement, with Britain, Germany, Spain and Italy all buying large numbers of the aircraft, which cost about £65m each.

Lord Drayson, the minister in charge of the £16bn-a-year military equipment budget, said on Thursday: "We need a reform of the four-nation partnership. This arrangement is not working as well as it should."

He added: "The structure for support is not fit forpurpose."

The minister insisted that he was extremely happy with the performance of the Typhoon, which is well-liked by air force pilots. However, the government wants to modify the aircraft to make it capable of ground attacks, crucial in combat zones such as Afghanistan, and feels that progress towards this has been tortuous. It is also concerned about the high price of spares.

The depth of the MoD's unhappiness emerged on Thursday after a report from the National Audit Office un-veiled a year-long delay in developing the Meteor air-to-air missile, which will be used on the Typhoon.

Sir Peter Spencer, head of the MoD's procurement organisation, blamed the delay on the refusal of the Eurofighter consortium to provide aircraft to test the missiles at an affordable price.

"We were not prepared to accept the price," Sir Peter said. "We are going to turn this charity into a business."

The MoD will instead test the Meteor missiles on France's Rafale fighter jet and Sweden's Gripen.

Officials from the Eurofighter consortium were unavailable for comment.

A total of 384 fighters are being built for the four partner air forces, 144 of them for the RAF.

However, a decision on whether to build another 236 aircraft, as specified in the original agreement between the four countries, is in doubt.

The latest comments from the UK, the biggest customer for the jets, will add to doubts over the order, known as Tranche 3.

The NAO report is a yearly review of the MoD's performance on its 20biggest weapons projects, which has been abject in the past.

The cost of the 20 projects is running at £27bn, or 11 per cent higher than forecast. Tim Banfield, the report's author, said on Thursday that there had been "tentative signs of improvement", though these needed to be sustained.

In the 2005-06 financial year, the MoD reduced the deficit by £781m, though much of this was attributable to shifting costs to another part of the MoD budget.

The MoD has also improved its performance on delivering its biggest projects on time in the past financial year.

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[Günter Prien]

Call to remodel Eurofighter alliance

Esa noticia ya fue colocada aqui anteriormente:

http://www.portierramaryaire.com/foro/v ... 6187#36187

[ARMY_corporal]

Ciao, scrivo dall'Italia e purtroppo non sí² lo Spagnolo, spero quindi che qualcuno possa fare una traduzione sommaria.

Qui in Italia si stí  parlando da un paio di anni dei ritardi accumulati dall'Eurofighter nell'acquisire capacití  "Swing role" (attacco al suolo), infatti se non mi sbaglio solo voi Spagnoli avete fatto un paio di lanci di qualifica con le GBU16, ancora non Á¨ in programma l'integrazione di un pod di designazione laser, e non si parla nemmeno di Taurus, Storm Shadow, JDAM ecc ... come vedete li in Spagna questo fatto ?.

Ciao e complimenti per il forum.

Hola, escribo de Italia y desafortunadamente no sí² el español, espero por lo tanto que alguien pueda hacer una traducción altamente resumida. En Italia el stí  que se habla aquí­ de un par de años del retrasa te acumula del Eurofighter en adquirir capacidades del papel “hace pivotar”(ataque de la tierra), de hecho si español del error solamente tú no ha hecho un par del lanzamiento de la calificación con el GBU16, inmóvil él no está en la integración del programa de un laser de la vaina de la designación, y no es no uniforme hablado sobre tauro, sombra de la tormenta, JDAM etc… pues los ves en España este hecho.

aever si asi se le entiende

[Lepanto]

¡¡¡¡ Que vuelva el esperanto !!!!!

[Orel]

Jejeje, me resulta curioso que lo menciones cuando por primera vez en mi vida he conocido a alguien que habla esperanto. Es un italiano que quiere extenderlo entre los Erasmus. Ya he visto algunos librillos en esperanto y la guia donde figuran todas las academias del globo... Curioso.

[Günter Prien]

Jejeje, me resulta curioso que lo menciones cuando por primera vez en mi vida he conocido a alguien que habla esperanto. Es un italiano que quiere extenderlo entre los Erasmus. Ya he visto algunos librillos en esperanto y la guia donde figuran todas las academias del globo... Curioso.

Dicen q es sencillo, la verdad q no estaria nada mal q en Europa se hablase una especie de idioma comun, facilitaria mucho las cosas...en fin seguiremos con el ingles y el frances...

[Voronezh]

Orel, coje todo lo que te han dicho del esperanto, sustituyelo por Castellano (nunca español o se darán cuenta) y vendem tu la historia por europa

[TYPHOOM7]

No, si a este paso tendremos que volver al latí­n en Europa...

Buenas olas...

[Orel]

Orel, coje todo lo que te han dicho del esperanto, sustituyelo por Castellano (nunca español o se darán cuenta) y vendem tu la historia por europa

No estaria nada mal

[Günter Prien]

Un EF en Moron con misiles Sidewinder y Amraam



Ahora con un par de GBU

[Pablo]

Bonitas fotos gracias Kamarada Gí¼nter Prien , que pena que sólo sea un pedido de 87 aviones, porque dentro de muy poco los F-1 estarán desfasados sino lo están ya, o sea que nos quedariamos con los F18 ?( no sé cuantos actualizados) y Eurofighter, y tal vez en un futuro los F35B, que podrí­an complementar estos últimos para dotar también al futuro BPE (ya sólo queda un año para su entrega si cumplen los plazos).

[Hornblower]

Bueno, 87 no es moco de pavo, además si caen las 16 opciones previstas nos vamos a más de 100 pájaros, .......que fueran todas las compras del Ministerio así­.

[Voronezh]

pablo actualmente tenemos menos de 60 Mirage F1M, por lo que la flota aumentará. ¿Pocos? Actualmente parece que se necesitan mas camiones armas, uniformes, misiles AT, SAMs y sueldos...que aviones.

[Pablo]

Si pero no debemos olvidar que la Fuerza aerea es muy importante tanto ofensivamente como defensivamente, paises como Suecia tienen una flota de unos 200aviones de combate "Grippen" y nosotros empezando a dar de baja los F-1, y parte de los F-18 pues nos quedariamos con apenas 150 aviones de combate y el enemigo está muy cerca


Saludos.-