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Meteco escribió:Bueno, ahora se abre una ventana de posibilidad porque ya no cabría tacharlos de ridículos (a los que actualicen la T1). Al final hay otro avión al que parece ser que hay que hacer algo parecido y que también parece que británicos e italianos discrepan con ciertos foreros en que dicho avión trae un equipamiento SEAD suficiente de serie. Seguro, que yo lo he leído aquí.
eldeleste escribió:Alguien sabe cuántos eurofighter de cada tranche tiene España? creo que he leído que 17 T1? pero no he encontrado cuántos T2..
También he leído que se estaban modificando en Getafe modernizándolos, entoces los T1 y T2 en España están siendo actualizados todos al mismo nivel que la T3? o aunque sean modernizados no llegan a mismo nivel que la tranche3?
Y por último leí que se habían comprado unos pocos radares aesa.. pero creo que eran muy pocos... se tiene intención de dotarlos a todos con estos radares?
Un saludo y gracias.
jupiter escribió:Hay quien habla de Eurofighters para Italia como remplazo al Tornado ECR.
¿Algien con más información?
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De hecho, en su carta al comité parlamentario británico, el industrial reveló que Italia “consideraría adquirir nuevos Typhoon” para compensar la retirada de su Tornado y “potencialmente reemplazar” su Eurofighter T1.
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Ian Muldowney: From an engineering point of view, the tranche 1s have quite a wide-ranging set of obsolescence. Being able to upgrade them to be capable of operating at the same capability level as tranche 2 and tranche 3 will be a significant cost. Just the life left on those airframes, and not just the airframes but the equipment within them, would mean that would be a huge cost to the Government. Taking those out of service allows us to then have the investment to increase the capability on the tranche 2s and tranche 3s. There was always a plan to take the tranche 1s out.
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Mr Francois: Has BAE Systems been asked to do any design studies at all about upgrading the tranche 1 in a national emergency?
Ian Muldowney: In that context, no.
Mr Francois: If you were asked to do such, are you capable of doing it?
Ian Muldowney: Yes, we could look at what could be done, but whether that would be a priority would have to be a conversation with the MoD and the RAF. We would have the ability to answer the question, yes.
Mr Francois: If you had to upgrade those in an emergency, how quickly could you do it?
Ian Muldowney: I would not like to guess, Sir.
Mr Francois: Could we have a note on that?
Ian Muldowney: We can come back with a letter if you wish, yes.
Dave Doogan: On the emerging apparent air capability gap, I take on board my colleague Mr Francois’ point about the tranche 1s, but an alternative to that would be to build in increased UK demand to manufacturing new. That would obviously come at a significant cost, but if the MoD was to knock on your door and have that conversation, and say they wanted to order another 30 aircraft of the latest tranche, how long a horizon are we talking about for that sort of delivery?
Ian Muldowney: Good question. In terms of where we are today, we have an ongoing production line with the orders that have come up. We still have Qatari jets to deliver, and major units are being delivered to our German and Spanish colleagues for their production lines, so the supply chain is warmed up—we are not going from a standing start. If the theoretical question is, “If the UK was to order some more aircraft, how long will that take?”, roughly a typhoon production line from placing the order to the first aircraft coming off the line is about four years, because we have that warmed-up production line to go and do that. We are not starting from a standing start.
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Upgrading the RAF’s Tranche 1 Typhoon fleet
It is technically feasible to bring a Tranche 1 (T1) aircraft to the standard of a Tranche 2 (T2) or Tranche 3 (T3) aircraft. BAE Systems has previously provided data to the Ministry of Defence (MoD) that outlines the scope of structural and avionic modifications that would be required. BAE Systems has not been asked to provide an assessment of the non-recurring design effort, nor associated costs, to implement such an upgrade. However, Spain has embarked upon a similar programme with some degree of concurrency available through multiple modification lines.
Other Typhoon partner nations have also reviewed their fleets – Germany has concluded that it will retire its T1 aircraft, but will purchase more aircraft under the Quadriga programme in order to maintain combat fleet numbers. Italy are reportedly considering acquiring new Typhoons, in response to the retirement of Tornado, and potentially to replace their Tranche 1 fleet.
It is worth nothing that there are some fundamental differences in the avionic equipment and in some areas of the aircraft structure between the T1 aircraft and those in the RAF’s T2 and T3 fleet. In addition, whilst the T2 and T3 aircraft share the same avionic equipment, there are structural differences between the T2 and T3 build standards, with the T3s already provisioned to accommodate the weight, power and cooling requirements of the RAF’s Mk2 ECRS radar.
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Chema escribió:En Alemania también hablan de utilizar los T1 para convertirlos en ECR, pues la conversión a ECR seria económicamente atractiva al tener que cambiar prácticamente toda la electrónica por la nueva. Salvarían las células con pocas horas y los motores.
Dicho esto, no me sorprende tampoco que los italianos piensen en el Tifón para la guerra electrónica, en vez del F35A, pues el primero dispondrá de equipamiento dedicado mientras que el segundo está limitado a las capacidades (frecuencias, ángulo, etc.) de su radar.
No lo dicen los foreros, lo dicen pilotos de varios países que han comprado la cafetera y que contrariamente a nosotros, saben de lo que hablan.
Los T1 no están preparados estructuralmente para equipar el AESA...
Se me antojan que son mucho cambios como para que merezca la pena hacerlos sobre los T1.
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