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Re: ¿Es el 5.56 OTAN suficiente para nuestros soldados?

Notapor marauderxs el Sab Oct 29, 2011 9:43 pm

No estoy muy seguro pero los seal ¿no estaban utilizando de forma intensiva la version H del scar en aftan?
Si los profesionales lo prefieren sera por algo.
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Notapor poliorcetes el Sab Oct 29, 2011 9:44 pm

aftan es lo que te salen en la bocan cuando tienes las defensas bajan. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Notapor marauderxs el Mié Nov 02, 2011 7:16 pm

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Re: ¿Es el 5.56 OTAN suficiente para nuestros soldados?

Notapor poliorcetes el Vie Nov 25, 2011 2:17 pm

French Army to replace the Famas Rifle

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011 ... mas-rifle/

I first reported rumors that the French would be replacing the FAMAS rifle back in 2009. During a recent meeting with the Commission of Defense, the French CEMAT (Chef d'Etat Major de l'Armée de Terre / Chief of Staff of the Army), General Ract Madoux, confirmed that the French Army would issue a RFP (Request For Proposals) in 2013 for a replacement service rifle for the French Army.

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FAMAS G2
The French FAMAS rifle has been a disaster. Its delayed blowback action is powerful enough to rip apart regular NATO brass-cased 5.56x45mm cases and its rifling does not stabilize the modern 5.56mm NATO bullets. The French Army is forced to use steel cased 5.56mm ammunition, thus eliminating the advantages of using the same cartridge as their NATO and EU allies. It that was not bad enough, the ammunition is no longer made in France and has ben to imported. A French journalist told me that China manufactures steel-cased 5.56mm for French military (I will say that another French journalist I spoke to disputes that ammunition is imported from China).

The manufacturer of the FAMAS, the state-owned Manufacture d'Armes de Saint-Etienne (MAS), has been developing firearms since 1777 and is well known for developing the first smokeless power military rifle, the Lebel Model 1886. Sadly this organization no longer has the technical capability to develop a new rifle, which is why France is looking beyond her borders for a new rifle.

I have compiled a list of potential contenders for a new French service rifle, along with their pros and cons.

Rifles from Neighboring Countries

H&K 416 (Germany)

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+ The H&K416 has good reputation, the AR-15 is well known system, Used by Norway, Turkey, USMC and French Army Special Forces. Also available in 7.62x51mm (H&K417).

- Expensive(?).

FN SCAR Mk.16 (Belgium)

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+ Modern rifle. Used by French Special Forces and Special Police Teams (including those responsible for protection of the President). Available in a PDW configuration and a 7.62mx51mm configuration (Mk. 17).

- New unproven rifle. Dropped by USSOCOM.

FN2000 (Belgium)

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+ Bullpup (like the FAMAS).

- Adoption has not been widespread. Used by Libya (really bad PR).

SIG 550 (Switzerland)

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+ Long service history and has aged well. Many variants. Used by Switzerland, German GSG and French Special Forces.

- Non-standard polymer magazine (although there are variants that use AR-15 magazines).

SIG 516 (Switzerland)

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+ Proven AR-15 design. PDW and 7.62mm variants available.

- Not (yet) adopted by a military or paramilitary organization. Not an HK416.

Beretta ARX (Italy)

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+ Modern modular design. Has been adopted by the Italian Army.

- A new and not yet proven weapon.

Rifles From Other European Countries

CZ 805 BREN A2 (Czech Republic)

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+ Modern design. To become the next service rifle of the Czech Army.

- Unproven. Proprietary magazine.

HS VHS (Croatia)

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+ Bullpup.

- Unproven. Not a lot of space for mounting FÉLIN (French Future Solider) accessories. Looks to similar to the ill-fated FAMAS.

Steyr AUG A3

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+ Bullpup. Seen combat. Adopted by a number of countries and police forces.

- The Australians seem to be spending more time developing this gun than Steyr are. Propriety magazine (although a NATO model with an AR-15 magazine is available, although I do not know if anyone has adopted it).

Rifle From Non European Countries

Remington ACR (USA)

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+ The latest magnesium-alloy model is an excellent modern rifle.

- Unproven. Not adopted by any military or para-military organizations. Non-European design (So is the AR-15, but that is now made and used all over the world).

Colt Canada C7 (Canada)

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+ A proven battle tested design. Used by Royal Netherlands Army, British SAS and New Zealand SAS.

- Not a very exciting rifle compared to the above models. Not European.

Tavor (Israel)

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+ Bullpup (like FAMAS). Limited use in combat.

- Not a lot of space for mounting FÉLIN accessories. France is unlikely buy rifles from Israel for political reasons.


Por requisitos técnicos, dirí­a que los dos mejor posicionados serí­an el Beretta ARX y el G36/HK-416. Otros muy buenos serí­an el Remington ACR o el Tavor, pero sus paí­ses de origen son incompatibles con la grandeur.
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Re: ¿Es el 5.56 OTAN suficiente para nuestros soldados?

Notapor poliorcetes el Mié Ene 25, 2012 9:15 pm

Nuevo miembro de la familia AK, con algunas interesantes novedades: el AK-12 (por 2012)

Kalashnikov AK-12 assault rifle is a newest creation of the IZMASH factory. It is intended to replace in production older Kalashnikov AK-74M and AK-100-series rifles for domestic use (by Russian army and LE), as well as for export. It was first displayed to press in January, 2012, and is believed to be still in development. AK-12 apparently stands for “Avtomat Kalashnikova, 2012”. Kalashnikov AK-12 assault rifle is planned to be available in two versions '' “light”and “heavy”, with former adapted for cartridges like 5.45x39, 5.56x45, 6.5 Grendel and 7,62x39, and the latter for more powerful cartridges like 7,62x51 NATO. The main goal in development of the Kalashnikov AK-12 assault rifle appears to be to improve ergonomics and tactical flexibility of the weapon, while maintaining traditional high reliability and simplicity of the parent weapon. It is yet to be seen if Kalashnikov AK-12 assault rifle will live up to these expectations.

Kalashnikov AK-12 assault rifle is gas operated, selective fire weapon using traditional “Kalashnikov type”action with long stroke gas piston and rotary bolt locking. Barrel has improved rifling for better accuracy, and a revised muzzle brake with NATO-standard external diameter of 22mm, allowing launching of rifle grenades of foreign manufacture. The receiver is redesigned, key modification being new top cover of more rigid design. It is hinged at the front and opens up and forward for disassembly and maintenance. Top cover latch release lever is located at the rear of receiver, right side, behind the safety. Safety / fire selector unit is also revised, to provide more ergonomic ambidextrous switch with 4 positions (Safe, Semi-auto, 3-rd bursts, Automatic). Safety / selector levers are located above the pistol grip, at both sides of the gun. Charging handle is moved forward to be removably attached to the gas piston, and can be installed on either side of the gun. New side-folding, telescoping adjustable stock is provided for AK-12. Kalashnikov AK-12 assault rifle features integral Picatinny rail at the top cover, and additional accessory rails at the top and both sides of the forend. Bottom section of the forend is available in two versions '' with rail (to accept various ‘tactical' accessories like lights and foregrips) or plain one (to accept standard 40mm grenade launchers like GP-25 or GP-30). In “light”version Kalashnikov AK-12 assault rifle will accept all ‘legacy' magazines in its respective caliber, such as 30-round AKM or AK-74 and 40-round RPK / 45-round RPK-74 magazines. Additionally, new, 4-stack, 60-round box magazine is planned to be issued for AK-12.


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Lo de usar 6.5 grendel está bien, pero sin una revisión profunda del diseño va a ser insuficientemente preciso para lo que se espera de un FUSA actual
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Notapor poliorcetes el Mié Feb 08, 2012 12:47 am

Un pope de las municiones acaba de actualizar su estupendo artí­culo

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Assault.htm

ASSAULT RIFLES AND THEIR AMMUNITION:

HISTORY AND PROSPECTS
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Re: ¿Es el 5.56 OTAN suficiente para nuestros soldados?

Notapor Jean Luc el Mié Feb 08, 2012 8:23 am

poliorcetes escribió:Un pope de las municiones acaba de actualizar su estupendo artí­culo

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Assault.htm

ASSAULT RIFLES AND THEIR AMMUNITION:

HISTORY AND PROSPECTS


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Re: ¿Es el 5.56 OTAN suficiente para nuestros soldados?

Notapor poliorcetes el Mié Feb 08, 2012 9:29 am

Y se lo ha currado pero bien
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Re: ¿Es el 5.56 OTAN suficiente para nuestros soldados?

Notapor poliorcetes el Mié Feb 15, 2012 3:28 pm

Australia's next-gen rifle, the EF-88
After a few failed attempts, the Australian Army has finally decided on their next-gen rifle. They will be upgrading their Austeyr F88 (Australia's Steyr AUG variant) to make is more modular, ambidextrous, lighter and easier to accessorize. New ammunition (presumably a modern 5.56mm load), an underbarrel 40mm grenade launcher and electronic control system will be developed alongside the rifle. The upgrade will be done by Thales Australia.

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The full list of upgrades are ...

Longer top rail, introduction of side and bottom rails '' significantly increases the number of weapon ancillaries that can be attached.
Designed for Interoperable Ammunition '' designed for optimal performance with new interoperable F1A1 5.56mm ammunition.
Length of Pull has been shortened by 15mm '' improves the ability of the operator to handle the weapon while wearing body armor.
Modular Lower Fore End '' enables operator to change ancillaries and roles in the field.
Floating Barrel '' removal of attachment point from barrel increases the accuracy and reliability of the weapon.
Fluted Barrel '' reduction in barrel weight and increase in performance.
Folding Cocking Handle '' improvement in ergonomics and correction of vulnerability in current design.
Improved Butt design '' increased strength to improve safety, ejection port cover recessed to improved operator interface and reliability.
Provision for Electronic Architecture '' to allow centralized control and power management of ancillary devices.
Bolt-together Butt '' to allow access to fit, maintain and repair the Electronic Architecture components.
Improved Butt Plate '' Improves operator interface and correction of vulnerability in current design.
Improved Grenade Launcher Mount '' improves the balance of the weapon, reducing operator fatigue and increasing accuracy.
Side-opening Grenade Launcher '' can fire all currently available 40mm low velocity grenades (current M203 Launcher is limited).
Improved Grenade Launcher safety '' reduces possibility of unauthorized discharge and danger to operator in the event of misfire.
The RIC (Rifle Input Control) is Thales new electronic control system. The RIC has five buttons. The operator punches in "chords" (combinations) to control devices, not unlike punching button combinations on a Playstation or Xbox.


It looks like Australia will have a great rifle once this project is completed.

[ Many thanks to Rohan & Brandon for emailing us the infomation. ]
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Notapor poliorcetes el Mar Feb 21, 2012 3:25 pm

Dos novedades o, mejor aún, mejoras sobre modelos existentes de Singapore Technologies Kinetics:

1) PDW

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2) Nuevo modelo de ultimax, el Mk-8

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Notapor poliorcetes el Vie Mar 30, 2012 2:31 pm

El FUSA más horrible y LOL de este siglo: El VP Berapi LP 06

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012 ... esign-ever

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Y por las dudas, diré que soy partidario del feismo sólo en aviación. Entiendo que la extrema fealdad de este FUSA tiene como objetivo debilitar al enemigo por medio de la risa
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Notapor poliorcetes el Mié Abr 04, 2012 11:26 am

FUSAs usados en el conflicto libio

http://rogueadventurer.wordpress.com/20 ... -conflict/

http://rogueadventurer.wordpress.com/20 ... t-part-ii/

http://rogueadventurer.wordpress.com/20 ... -part-iii/

No sorprende, pero sí impresiona, lo que llegaron a adquirir unos y otros. Incluidos FN-F2000...

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Notapor poliorcetes el Vie May 04, 2012 2:23 pm

Is LSAT ready to be the Army's next light machine gun?
Friday, May 4, 2012 at 6:01AM | SoldierGeek

I've posted before on the Army's Lightweight Small Arms Technology program, a technology program designed to dramatically reduce the weight of the Army's guns and ammo by doing a ground-up redesign of both using plastic case-telescoped ammunition and/or caseless ammo.

The program is maturing, and has successfully cut the weight of a light machine gun and ammo nearly in half. Military.com's KitUp! blog asks the question: is it time to get serious about LSAT?

With one major caveat, I think the answer is yes. Why? Consider:

- The M249 SAW is aging, and suffered some serious degradation during Iraq that only an intensive maintenance program helped. The Marines have started dumping theirs, but for an ill-considered auto-rifle that lacks the firepower of the weapon it replaces.

- Ammo stockpiles have never been lower, since stockpiles were depleted during Iraq as the ammo enterprise rushed to spool up, in some cases just barely making its requirements. Most ammo that is produced today is fired within a year or two. Given that the Army just switched to a new ammo configuration, it will take some time to rebuild a stockpile -- that funding could be diverted to new ammo.

- LSAT offers the opportunity to give every soldier the firepower of a SAW with the accuracy of a rifle, without a weight growth -- or depending on the tradeoffs, a weight reduction. The rest of the Soldier's kit is only getting heavier; some of that weight can offset network technologies like Nett Warrior.

- If the Army ever wants to seriously consider a caliber change to increase range, effectiveness, or other capabilities, the obvious time to do it is when the ammo configuration changes. The same tech in M855A1 can be applied in other calibers; in the LSAT configuration there's no particular reason to stick to existing caliber configurations. We did some analysis of alternative calibers at one point and found that we could achieve the range and penetration capability of a 7.62mm round at the weight of current 5.56mm systems by using a 6.5mm LSAT configuration.

- At least the Army would be investing in a new technology and capability, rather than reinventing the wheel.

The caveat? The declining defense budget. Retooling production for LSAT ammo would be a major investment: by some estimates it might cost as much as a billion dollars to set up for caseless ammo production (plastic case-telescoped could be significantly cheaper). That's real money in the small arms business, though admittedly it's less than the cost of buying new carbines for the entire Army, and even less than the cost of an overrun on the F-35. The investment would certainly be amortized over a long period of time -- the Army's likely to invest in a caliber change only once in a half-century or so. I'd suggest a few small arms programs that could be killed to pay the bill, like the IC competition, the XM806 lightweight .50, and perhaps the XM25.

So is it LSAT's time? Maybe, maybe not -- but perhaps it's time to run an operational assessment to answer the question.


http://www.soldiergeek.com/milblog/2012 ... e-gun.html
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Notapor ruso el Vie May 04, 2012 3:30 pm

Y digo yo, ¿para terminar hablando de fusiles de asalto variados y cosas similare hacía falta un hilo nuevo?.

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Notapor poliorcetes el Vie May 04, 2012 5:22 pm

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